I have been tracing my family line back to Tipperary, Ireland. My great, great, great grandfather was Bernard Sweeny (or O"Sweeney) he was born in Thurles Rest on 3rd February 1850. His father was Michael Sweeney and I think has mother was called Mary Donoghue. His father is shown as a labourer on his marriage certificate. He married Catherine (kate) Connell on the 23 November 1871 at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Ballingarry. Bernard was a shopkeeper and also a postmaster possibly in Moyne. His wife Catherine was a farmers daughter and her father was called William Connell and they both came from Ballingarry. His children were Mary (b1873),Johanna (b1875), Anastasia (b1876), Anne (b1876) and Edward (Edmund) (b 1877).
The family are shown next in Kirkdale in Liverpool on both 1901 and 1911 census returns. Bernard was then working on the Liverpool docks. I would like to try to find more on the Tipperary connection and the family and the possible reasons for leaving Ireland..
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| Additional Information | ||
|---|---|---|
| Date of Birth | 3rd Feb 1850 | |
| Father (First Name/s and Surname) | Michael Sweeny | |
| Mother (First Name/s and Maiden) | Mary Donoghue | |
| Spouse (First Name/s and Maiden/Surname) | Catherine (Kate) Sweeney nee Connell | |
| Place & Date of Marriage | The Roman Catholic Chapel of Ballingarry on 23 November 1871. | |
| Number of Children | 5 | |
| First Child | Mary Sweeney | |
| Names of Children | Johanna, Anastasia, Anne and Edward | |
| Occupation | Shopkeeper, Postmaster (Moyne?) and Dock Worker in Liverpool | |
| Place of Death | Liverpool | |
Hi,
This site..............will give BDM after 1864, you will be able to find siblings (if you know of any names) and match them up to marriages and then search for the parents deaths.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie
In this site ........... search for families in the 1901 and 1911 Census records, plus other records.
www.nationalarchives.ie
Both of these should help. If you get stck please send a message.
Margot
Many thanks Margot. Will let you know if find anything further.
Hi Terry,
I saw the name Green as a sponsor or witness in a record with the Sweeny marriage.
Are you the Greene family from that area? I think the area is Killea.
Margot
No Unfortunately not. The Green side of the family come from Yorkshire. Thanks for checking though.
My 3xGreat Grandmother was Anastasia Sweeney(born 1775). She married Matthew Long and they had a daughter, Mary in Thurles in 1799.
Mary married Patrick Maher in Thurles on 19 July, 1825. Mary and Patrick eventually emigrated to Queensland, Australia in 1861 and died in the Ipswich area in 1874 and 1884 respectively.
Just wondering if Anastasia is an ancestor of the Sweeney’s mentioned in the original post.
Many thanks
Carmel
Hi Carmel R,
I saw this on a ship record, mentions Ipswich..........he maybe related to you.
SWEENEY Jeremiah 1857 16 (Tipp) "Father in Tipperary" Pd by Mary HENNESSY. Mother at Ipswich Ship = Blenheim
where it says (Tipp) it means Tipperary Town in County Tipperary.
I cant find any other names, sorry.
Margot
Hi Carmel and Margot Cant find any connection with my relatives and the Sweeneys above. However, the name Maher is mentioned on records somewhere. I'll need to investigate further. Many thnaks for your help. Best Regards Terry
Terry, this is Mary's birth and they were in Moyne.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends…
Anto birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…
sorry but this looks like Edward's/Edmond's death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…
I cant see the other records.
Margot
Hi Margot
Many thnaks for all your efforts. It is really appreciated. It does fill in some of the gaps and also confirms family information that Bernard Sweeney was the postmaster. I assume that was in Moyne but dont know. It would be really great if I could find out more about this from somewhere.
Again many thanks for looking.
Best Regards
Terry Green.
Sorry Terry, I just noticed, I did a direct "Copy n Paste" into this site. It's blocked off the rest of the link.
I have done it again to word then to the site. If the link doesn't show, highlight the whole link ctrl and C and then in google/search ctrl and V and you will see the page.
Yes it is in Moyne.
This is Anto's birth again
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03055/2120301.pdf
this is Edward/Edmond's death
I have just looked at Griffiths Valuation, there is One Sweeney in Moyne a Patrick Sweeney, in the townland of Kilmakill, could this be Bernard's Grandfather?
Margot
Many thnaksHi Margot
Managed to get hold of the marriage certificate for Bernard Sweeneys marriage to Catherine Connell (Kate)i on 23 November 1871 in Ballingarry (callan district/area) where his fathers name is shown as Michael Sweeny.Many thanks Terry. Kates father was shown as William.
BHI Margot
Having looked at the information you provided for the birth of Anto (Anastasia) Sweeney, one of the witnesesses was Mary Sweeney. So the parents of Bernard could be, as I thought originally, William and Mary Sweeney.
I also previously found a marriage of William Sweeney to Mary Donoghue for 25 July 1847 in Thurles. Grateful for your thoughts if you think thtat this might be the matching record or if you could see any other possible matches.
Best Regards
Terry
Hi Terry, well I would say 99.9% sure it's them.
Not many with the same names in that area.
Margot
Many thanks Margot for your help. Best Regards Terry
Hello Margot Apologies for not following this up quick enough. I have started revisiting the records after a break to reexamine the records. Unfortuantely, I cannot get hold of the records you highlighted earlier in your responses. I also forgot to get back to Carmel R with information she asked for which is the Marriage record for Bernard and Catherine Sweeney mentions a witness who is Johanna MAHER and the wedding took place in Ballingarry. The other witness was John Banon.. Many thanks Terry
Hi Terry,
Sorry but I don't help out now.
To get the records....... high light the link and copy and paste into your search engine.
You should get them then.
Margot
No problem thanks anyway Best Regards
