Researching James Vance (1811-1879)

Vance is not a very common name in Fermanagh. In the 1901 census there were just 23 in the county (about 4 households). All were Church of Ireland.

One Vance farming in the parish of Magheraculmoney in the tithes in 1828. Thomas Vance who lived in Mullaghfarran (Mullaghfarne). 

http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/fermanagh/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-magheraculmoney.php

No Vances in Mullaghfarne by the time of Griffiths Valuation in 1862. If you are looking for James’s marriage or parents you will have to search Magheraculmoney Church of Ireland records. They start in 1767, but do not appear to be on-line anywhere yet. There is a copy in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

Thank you

Elwyn, My GG Thomas Vance was born in Canada in December of 1841. I have his birth registration and baptism from the record books at the Ottawa's Anglican Diocesan Archives. The Thomas Vance that you mention in Mullaghfarne could be his father. Would the church there also have records of possible siblings?

Sorry, I made a mistake. The Thomas Vance in Mullaghfarne might be his grandfather and the father of James 1811-1879.

You ask about possible siblings. In general, for a family of farmers who weren’t likely to move about, you would expect all their children to be baptised in the same church. The parents marriage might also be there, though tradition was to marry in the bride’s church so if she was of a different denomination or from a different parish then it might not. The Churhc of Ireland also keeps burial records, so you might get a little information from them too.

Thanks for the information. The information I am searching for would be marriage and births records because I know where they are buried in Canada.

The burials I had in mind would be for the generations that didn't go to Canada.  But anyway, you know where the relevant Irish records are.

James married Jane Davis 3 April 1840, Kesh, Co. Fermanagh, http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches

Jamie.

(1) James VANCE [1450], [1335]

  b. ca 1810, 30 yrs bef marriage/children

  d. 31 Aug 1879, Huron, ON [45]

  em. 1840-50, to Ottawa, then Huron ON.

  rel. Wesleyan methodist

& Jane DAVIS [1450]

  b. ca 1823, Ireland

  Active. 1891, Usborne, ON, Canada

  m. 3 Apr 1840, Kesh, Co. Fermanagh [1482]

    (2) William VANCE [45]

      b. ca 1847, ON.

    (2) Joseph VANCE [45]

      b. ca 1859, ON.

    & Mary [45]

      b. ca 1860, ON.

        (3) John A. VANCE [45]

          b. 1881, ON.

    (2) Mary VANCE [45]

      b. 1848, ON.

      d. 16 Jan 1921 [366]

      br. Huron, ON

    & William STEWART [366]

    (2) Jane VANCE [45]

      b. 15 Sep 1850, Fitzroy, ON

      d. 28 Oct 1926 [366]

      br. Huron, ON

    & David McNICOL [366]

    (2) Edith VANCE [45]

      b. 3 Jul 1853, Usborne, ON, Canada

      bp. 26 Sep 1853, Usborne, ON, Canada

    (2) Elizabeth VANCE [45], [1335]

      b. ca 1857, ON.

Sources 

45. “Ancestry.com,” Historical Records, some original, some transcribed, http://search.ancestry.com/search/, http://search.ancestry.com, England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1900, Census returns, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901, US census and BMD records, 2003 and subsequent.

Published by permission of the Controller of HMSO and the Office for National Statistics

366. “Find a Grave,” http://www.findagrave.com/index.html, Jun 21, 2009.

1335. “Transcription of the Wesleyan Methodist Baptism Register supplied by Ida Reed,” http://gedcomlibrary.com/gedcoms/v209651.ged, Jun 1, 2012.

1450. Len Davis, “MARQUIS/COLVILLE ancestors,” 6 Jul 1999, http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.ireland.fer.general/40….

1482. “Births and Marriages Recorded in Co. Fermanagh,” “Tubrid Church, Kesh, Co. Fermanagh 1801-1904,” “Births recorded in St. Marys Church, Ardess, Pt 2 - 1800-1829,” George Armstrong, Ireland Genealogy Project Archives, http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches, Apr 5, 2013.

Thank you to Jamie. Your research and information of their marriage record at the Turbid Church Kesh is very useful because now I have an exact date. Where is shows abode, does that mean the place where the groom and bride were living at the time of their marriage?
Also there is no listing of their parent's names on the registration. Was that not a common practice in 1840?
Thanks again for your help
Wendy Vance

Dear Wendy,

Many apologies for not answering sooner.

Abode, yes, would be the place whereeither  the groom or bride were living at the time of their marriage. and though parent's names are often listed on the registration (or one, usually father anyway) they are sadly often omitted.

April 1845 is when fathers names routinely began to be recorded on marriage certificates. Mothers names weren’t normally recorded then. The 1840 marriage states that Jane Davis lived in Bracklin. That’s a townland of  174 acres which is about half way between Ederney & Lack. In Griffiths Valuation (1862) there were 2 farms there. Neither occupied by a Davis. The inference is that either the Davis family had moved on, (likely if they were labourers) or they had a house of too low a value to be in Griffiths.

The Groom’s address was just given as the parish of Drumkeeran. No townland. Griffiths has 3 Vances in Drumkeeran. All were farmers.  Andrew Vance with 2 plots of land on Rotten Mountain and William & James farming beside each other in Oghill. If you get no other leads they might be worth investigating.

Bracklin in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Tirmacspird/Bracklin/

1 Vance in Rotten Mountain in 1901;

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Drumkeeran/Rottenmountain/1353986/

2 Vances in Oghill in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Ederny/Oghill/1354156/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Ederny/Oghil…