Family from Skeagh

Hi Eileen

There are 16 Forsythes in the Irish phone book (free online) but none in Cavan

http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/q/name/where/County%20Cavan/who/Forsythe/?customerType=RESIDENTIAL&contentErrorLinkEnabled=true

I couldn't find a death/burial record for Catherine in Cavan but there are 7 form other counties attached

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=1&confirmPageView=Y

Col

Hi Eileen,

I looked up the National Archives & this is what I found, it is a free website

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Skeagh/Corrakeer… - Henry Forsythe

& this is possible the 3rd wife & family 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Skeagh/Skeagh/31…

When you said she fled with her 2 sons to Scotland, do you know the the name of the other son, George is here with her in 1911

She is on her own with servants in 1901 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Skeagh/Skeagh/10…

Did you get a name of who is in that property now, when you were over?

Scotlandspeople is a great site for tracing family in Scotland, I have used it myself.

 Otherwise try Cavan Genealogy to see if there are any other famly here, sometimes they may have contact with others of the same name & Forsythe is not a common as Clarke & Smith & O'Reilly here !!

Sorry Eileen, for some reason my copy & paste went pear shaped!!

Cavan Genealogy,they are at :

1st floor,

Johnston Central Library,
Farnham Street,
Cavan Town,
County Cavan.
Tel: +353 (0)49 4361094
Fax: +353 (0)49 433149  email cavangenealogy@eircom.net

Regards Carmel

Thank you both for your suggestions. I had only a brief stay in Cavan but I did go to the Genealogy Centre and they gave me some information. I didn't find out anything about who owns the properties now.

Ambrose's widow Margaret went to Scotland with George, her son by Ambrose, and with Henry, Ambrose's son by his first marriage to Fanny Tremble. Henry seems to have taken over Ambrose's job as estate manager. They went to Dundee where Margaret's daughter by her first marriage, Maggie Trainor, was living with her husband, Robert McCullogh. Scotland's People is a very useful website because you can get the certificates on line.

I hope I can get back to Ireland for a longer stay some year soon!

Best wishes

Eileen

Eileen,  I will keep the family name in my head & if I meet anyone from Skeagh I will chat to them.  Goodness, they both had multiple spouses, that is a challenge.  I am also guessing that they may be mixed religions as 'Maggie Trainor' sounds Catholic, is McCullogh also from Knockbride?

My own family went to Scotland and left again moving I think to South Shields, but their name is Smith & there is an infinite number of them, one came back my great great grandmother, with her grandfather.

1920 was a turbulent time in Irish History.

I have access to Ancestry, if there is anything specific you need me to look up, please let me know.

You sound well versed in genealogy & if you come, I will show you the Land Valuation records, they are not online, but you can track the leaser or owner of land, which gives another angle on family.  Also look up the Will Calenders at National Archives, if you find one that you would like me to look at do let me know & the next day I visit them I can get a copy for you.  Regards Carmel

Thanks Carmel. You are right, I started looking at my Irish roots then got into genealogy in a big way!

There's still quite a few unanswered questions around Margaret Forsythe, but I have found no evidence of a Catholic connection. Margaret Ann Kelly was born abt. 1844, probably in Cavan, the daughter of William Kelly. She married Hugh Henry Trainer (spelling varies) in Baileborough in 1870. He had joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1866, at the time giving his birth as 1846 in Antrim. Soon after the marriage, Hugh and Margaret moved to England and on 23 June 1870 he joined the Manchester police, and his record notes he had previously served 3y 6m in the RIC and 6m with the Chester police.In 1871 in Manchester they had a daughter, Mary, who lived only a few months, and in 1875 Hugh died in Birkenhead, Cheshire, and Margaret presumably returned to Ireland, marrying Ambrose in January 1879 in Knockbride.

The birth of Margaret Jane (Maggie) Trainer is a bit of a mystery. According to the 1901 Irish census, she was born in 1876 in Manchester, but on the 1911 Scottish census she gives her birthplace as Ireland in 1872. Either way, I can find no record for it. Old Ambrose was very fond of Maggie and paid for her to train in domestic science in Dublin, and by all accounts she was a very good cook. She married Robert McCullogh in 1908 in Baillieborough, and he was described as a farmer from Derrydamph, Cavan, but was thought to be of Scottish origin. By 1910 Maggie and Robert were in Dundee, where Robert was a dairyman, possibly in a family business, and he and Maggie both died in Dundee.

According to family gossip, Ambrose's marriage to Margaret was not well recieved by his older children and that his why several of them came to Australia (the alternative version is that he sent his older sons away because they were closer in age to Margaret than he was!). Apparently his Will caused strife in the family, but we have no details of it.

Few of Ambrose's many children (about 17) had children themselves, and as far as I can tell, there are not many descendants apart from me and my immediate cousins.

Best wishes

Eileen 

Thanks Carmel. You are right, I started looking at my Irish roots then got into genealogy in a big way!

There's still quite a few unanswered questions around Margaret Forsythe, but I have found no evidence of a Catholic connection. Margaret Ann Kelly was born abt. 1844, probably in Cavan, the daughter of William Kelly. She married Hugh Henry Trainer (spelling varies) in Baileborough in 1870. He had joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1866, at the time giving his birth as 1846 in Antrim. Soon after the marriage, Hugh and Margaret moved to England and on 23 June 1870 he joined the Manchester police, and his record notes he had previously served 3y 6m in the RIC and 6m with the Chester police.In 1871 in Manchester they had a daughter, Mary, who lived only a few months, and in 1875 Hugh died in Birkenhead, Cheshire, and Margaret presumably returned to Ireland, marrying Ambrose in January 1879 in Knockbride.

The birth of Margaret Jane (Maggie) Trainer is a bit of a mystery. According to the 1901 Irish census, she was born in 1876 in Manchester, but on the 1911 Scottish census she gives her birthplace as Ireland in 1872. Either way, I can find no record for it. Old Ambrose was very fond of Maggie and paid for her to train in domestic science in Dublin, and by all accounts she was a very good cook. She married Robert McCullogh in 1908 in Baillieborough, and he was described as a farmer from Derrydamph, Cavan, but was thought to be of Scottish origin. By 1910 Maggie and Robert were in Dundee, where Robert was a dairyman, possibly in a family business, and he and Maggie both died in Dundee.

According to family gossip, Ambrose's marriage to Margaret was not well recieved by his older children and that his why several of them came to Australia (the alternative version is that he sent his older sons away because they were closer in age to Margaret than he was!). Apparently his Will caused strife in the family, but we have no details of it.

Few of Ambrose's many children (about 17) had children themselves, and as far as I can tell, there are not many descendants apart from me and my immediate cousins.

Best wishes

Eileen 

Hi Eileen, I have some information on Margaret Anne (Kelly), (Traynor),Forsythe.  William Kelly is with Margaret A. Forsythe on the 1901 census, listed as her father, and her daughter Maggie Trainer is also recorded with them.

William Kelly farmed in Lisdonan Townland, Knockbride Parish before he retired. He had  another daughter, Mary Kelly, who married Isaiah Lynn, who was a policeman. Isaiah Lynn of Lisdonan was an executor of Ambrose Forsythe's will in 1896. They would have been brothers -in-law.

In 1890 William Kelly of Lisdonan sent a letter to Jane Wilson in Canada. In the letter he tells them how he had lost his wife Mary and 3 of his grandchildren over a period of several months.

I am not sure if this is of interest to you, but if you want it I could e-mail a transcription of the William kelly letter?

John

Dear John

Thank you for your message. I would be interested to see details of the letter you refer to. If you want to send it privately, my email is elclark[at]westnet[dot]com[dot]au

I'm still hoping to get back to Ireland some time in the not too distant future.

Meanwhile, many thanks

Eileen

Hullo all, I'm adding some information to this old post but unsure if anyone is still following it.
George and Eliza Forsythe were my grandparents, and Emily Violet their daughter in in 1911 Census was my Auntie. I'm from Dundee, Scotland. Auntie Emily and dad are both deceased but my cousin George sent me her a copy of her birth certificate to make sure that I was looking at the correct family. My dad was also named Ambrose Forsythe and he had 4 sisters including Emily all of which have passed on as well. I've never heard the name Henry but there are or were a lot of Trainers in Dundee when I was growing up, I'm no longer in the area.
I've just started this journey of looking into my family history and would love to hear more information if it's available.
Have a great day..

Hello  SusieQ  I have some information on this family. If you can contact me by email wilney(at)hotmail(dot)ca