Kiwi contacting Irish roots

Nanette,

If you have the 1853 marriage certificate, what are the bride and grooms respective townlands (addresses), and what are their parents names and occupations? This may enable me to trace them in Griffiths Valuation for you. (At present I can see 3 Bannons listed in Knockbride, in Griffiths in 1857, ie Bryan in Drumbinnis, John in Glasdrumman and William in Latsey.

There?s about 150 Bannan/Bannons in Co. Cavan in the 1901 census.

Elwyn

Thanks Elwyn, I don't have the marriage certificate but have come up with those dates off the familysearch.org site. I think Ann Eliza's father was John Hill. I am presuming it is probably William in Latsey as my great grandmother Mary Jane Bannan was born 23/12/1853 in Latsey. We have her birthday book which lists John Hill Bannan B 16/1/1859, Margaret Mary Bannan B 21/1/1865, William Patrick Bannan B 22/1/1867, Frances Elizabeth Bannan B 1869 and John Gilmore Bannan B 2/3/1872. I have no idea if they were siblings or cousins except for Mary Jane, William and John who were siblings. The birthday book also gives us her mother (Ann Eliza Bannan) as B10/2/1831 - D 11/6/1875. 

The fact there were 150 Bannans  listed in 1901 census in that area is a bit daunting when it comes to trying to narrow it down, but I would just be happy to find someone there that is still related to meet up with when I come over in September. I will definitely be going to visit the headstone of John Hill Bannan in Knockbride cemetery. Someone else on this site kindly emailed me a photo of it so can't wait to actually see it in person.

Thanks, Nanette

Nanette,

I?d suggest you ought to get a copy of the 1853 marriage certificate just to double check it?s the right family. It should also give you the Hill?s townland which may be key to tracing them.

If you are interested in the careers of John & William both of whom joined the RIC, there should be copies of their service records in various locations eg National Archives, Kew, London, National Archives Dublin and PRONI in Belfast. Or you can order copies from the police museum in Belfast. See:

http://www.psni.police.uk/index/about-us/police_museum/museum_genealogy.htm

William Bannon in Latsey rented plot 12 which was a farmhouse, outbuildings and just over 10 acres of land. Today that?s on the west side of the R191 road in Latsey.

There were no Bannon families in Latsey by the time of the 1901 census. The revaluation records should tell you when the family left. These are not on-line and are held in the Valuation Office in Dublin. You could try e-mailing them to see if they will look them up for you.

Statutory birth registration started in Ireland. So for events after 1864 you can locate and order birth certs to establish the parents etc from GRO Roscommon (photocopies are ?4 each). Or you can probably get transcripts on-line from rootsireland. That should help resolve how these 4 are connected to your immediate family.

So there?s a John Gilmore Bannon birth registered in Cootehill in 1872 Vol 3, page 186.

Likewise William Patrick Bannon Cootehill 1867 Vol 3, page 179.

Frances Elizabeth Bannon Cootehill 1869 Vol 13, page 155.

Margaret Mary Bannon Cootehill 1865 Vol 3, page 173.

For the births prior to 1864 you will need to rely on church records. You don?t say what denomination they were but if it was Church of Ireland, their records for Knockbride start in 1825. If it was RC, their records start in 1835. Both are on the rootsireland site. There are also microfilm copies in PRONI, Belfast.

There?s no Bannon/Bannan households listed in the tithe applotment records for Latsey in 1827, suggesting that the family arrived there after that date. (There were 4 other Bannan households in Knockbride though, John, William, Michael & Bernard).

I could not find a death cert for Eliza Ann Bannan in 1875. Nearest is Elizabeth Bannon who died in 1877. Cootehill Vol 8, page 135. Est year of birth 1812 which doesn?t fit with your information. There is a death for William Bannon in Cootehill 1864 vol 13, page 90. Est year of birth 1829.

Elwyn

Thanks Elwyn. Keep us up to date on your research Nanette!

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

Hi Ewyn,

As you suggested I have got a copy of the marriage certificate which is for 25/2/1853 County Cavan, Husband - William Bannon, Address- Latchy, Denomination- Church of Ireland, Occupation- Farmer, Age -22.

 Wife - Elizabeth Hill, Address- Coranary,  Denomination- Church of Ireland, Age- 19

Husbands's father- John Bannon

Wife's father - John Hill

There was no mention of the Mothers of Bride or groom

Witness 1 - William Argue                     Witness 2 -  James Fergusson

Married In The Church of Knockbride

I think this is the family I am looking for as the marriage date is correct, but we know the bride's name as Ann Eliza.

I also got the baptism certificate of my great grandmother Mary Jane Bannon B. 23/12/1853

Date of Baptism 05/02/1854

Address- Latchey, Knockbride, Co. Cavan.  Church of Ireland

Father: William Bannon                      Mother:  Eliza Bannon

I was unable to find an actual birth certificate. I believe Ann Eliza remarried (after being widowed in 1864) remarried to Alan Johnston (Johnstone??) in 1866 (from records familysearch.org) and as far as I know she died on 11/06/18754 but I cannot find any records of this. I am putting a letter in the local paper to try and find any remaining relatives that I can possibly meet up with when I come over in Mid- September so hoping to get some feedback from that,

Cheers from NZ

Nanette

Nanette,

The reason you can?t find a birth certificate for Mary Jane Bannon in 1854 is that they hadn?t started. They only started in 1864. So you won?t find one.

The mothers of the respective parties are not named on Irish (or English) marriage certificates (even today).

Regarding the denomination for the ceremony, the certificate doesn?t actually say what denomination the parties are, just what denomination the church was. However tradition was to marry in the bride?s church and so you are probably safe enough in assuming that Elizabeth was Church of Ireland. I?d look for her baptism in that church?s records. (She was bon c 1834 and the records start in 1825 so that?s encouraging). I?d start by assuming William Bannon was COI too and search the same records for him, but if you don?t find him then you may need to try other denominations. Transcripts of Knockbride COI?s baptism, marriage & burial records are on the rootsireland site (pay to view).

That the family came from Latsey/Latchy is helpful because Griffiths has William listed there for 1857. That means you should be able to locate the family farm easily enough if you wish to do so. Looking at Griffiths, I can see that William was renting plot 12 which consisted of a farmhouse, outbuildings  and just over 16 acres of land  (16 acres, 1 rood & 18 perches). That property was on the west side of the modern R191 road, opposite the National School. The R191 runs from Cootehill to Bailieborough.

John Hill is also listed in Griffiths, in Corraneary. He rented plot 10 which was a farmhouse, outbuildings and just over 34 acres. That farm today is on the north side of Corraneary Lough. It?s about a mile east of Latsey. No Hills farming there by the time of the 1901 census.

By way of information regarding Elizabeth?s 2 brothers who joined the RIC, RIC policy was not to post their officers to the county in which they were brought up, and so their careers will all have been spent outside Cavan.

I think your information on the remarriage in 1886 looks accurate. There?s an entry in the indexes for Cootehill for an Allen Johnston and on the same page Anna Eliza Bannon & Anna Eliza Hill. So that looks a perfect match. (Vol 3 page 181).

This looks to be Allen Johnston in 1901. I?d guess he inherited the Bannon farm in Latsey.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Coroneary/Latsey/1046454/

And in 1911, Allen is on a separate house on his own:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Corraneary/Latsey/344033/

With his son nearby:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Corraneary/Latsey/344036/

There?s a death for an Allen Johnston regd in Cavan town  Jul ? Sept 1921. Est year of birth 1841. That?s probably him.

I don?t see any Johnston households in Latsey in the current phone book.

Elwyn

Hi Nanette,
I have sent you an email as my family are Johnston currently living in Latsey! However I don't know if there is a connection!
Regards
Laura

Let us know if you make a connection!
Good luck!

Clare Doyle
Genealogy Support

 Mary Jane Bannan married Thomson MacKay in Timaru New Zealand in 1876 and later moved to Ashburton where their children were born. 

 Donald [my Grandfather] 1880

Annie Eliza 1882

Jane 1883

Catherine 1887

Mary Jane 1890

John 1891

Frances 1893

Willliam 1895

Thomas 1898

All of Donald MacKays children have now all died . 

 Mary Jane Bannan married Thomson MacKay in Timaru New Zealand in 1876 and later moved to Ashburton where their children were born. 

 Donald [my Grandfather] 1880

Annie Eliza 1882

Jane 1883

Catherine 1887

Mary Jane 1890

John 1891

Frances 1893

Willliam 1895

Thomas 1898

All of Donald MacKays children have now all died .