I’m really uncertain with the geopolitical divisions in Ireland, tho' I do know - Province: Munster, County: Clare... Then the confusion sets in for me!! Baronies, Unions, Parishes, Townlands!!! Ennistimon appears to be both a Union and a Townland!?
My 2GGrandfather, Peter Carley only has 'Innes Diamond' on his death certificate, which I believe to be ENNISTIMON, Co Clare, but has KILMANAHEEN (Co Clare) in the Kew Asylum books, as his birthplace.(Only Co Clare is listed on his daughter, Roseann’s birth certificate.)
Peter Carley’s wife Margaret McMahon has a sister, Elizabeth who married a Patrick O’Halloran in the KILFENORA parish Church in Feb 1845, however, Peter and Margaret were married in Melbourne, 14/9/1852.
Peter Carley’s father is also Peter, and his mother is listed as Ann O’Loughlin(on his death cert.), and we know he has a brother John and Austin (from their Probate & Wills), and perhaps a sister Margaret… However, Austin’s mother is listed as ELLEN McLochlan on his death Index!
I’ve trawled many Clare sites but can’t find Carley anywhere, and as you would know, I’m getting WAY too many McMahons to make any sense of!
Would LOVE to get confirmation and evidence of Peter Carley's Birth & or Baptism about 1826! And when and how he emigrated! about 1850-2
Clare J in Australia
Monday 18th Feb 2013, 04:57AM
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Hi Clare,
MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland has a short write-up about CARLEY:
"Carley This name is of two entirely distinct origins. It is an English name long established in Co. Wexford, hence the place-name Carleysbridge in that county. In Connacht it is that of the sept Mac Fhearghaile, formerly anglicized as MacCarrelly, which in variant spellings occurs frequently in sixteenth-century Fiants relating to Co. Roscommon.
From the Griffith's Valuation (1847 - 64) we can see 59 CARLEY households and 8 McCARLEY households in Ireland. Most (21) are in Roscommon County. None are shown in CLARE county. Here is the full list
County Number of households
Antrim 4
Cork 8
Fermanagh 1
Galway 2
Longford 2
Louth 1
Mayo 2
Meath 2
Roscommon 21
Tyronne 1
Westmeath 6
Wexford 9
Since two are listed in Galway it isn't that big a stretch that CARLEY might have been in Ennistimon.
The www.seanruad.com townland database shows Ennistimon as being in Kilmanaheen civil parish
TownlandAKAAcresCountyBaronyCivil ParishPLUProvinceEnnistimon 79ClareCorcomroeKilmanaheenEnnistimonMunster
For this parish in Co Clare, Brian Mitchell's A Guide to Irish Churches and Graveyards
shows the townland locations of where Roman Catholic churches, Established Churches, and graveyards were:
- Calluragh South has only a graveyard.
- Deerpark West has an RC Church and graveyard
- Ennistimon (townland) has only a graveyard
- Town of Ennistimon, at Chapel road has an RC church
- Town of Lehinch, Chapel Street has an RC Church
- Sroohil townland has an Established church
In The Antiquities of County Clare I do find that the very old name (about 1585) of Ennistimon was recorded as both Inysdyman and in 1839 as Inisdiman in this parish (Kilmanaheen).
Good luck to you,
James McNamara
Feakle Clare Parish Admin
Tuesday 19th Feb 2013, 05:28AM -
WoW!
James, thanks so much for the information...
every bit helps to make things a bit clearer! It's like learning a new language!
Interestingly, Clare McNamaras are associated with my Carleys in Australia, possibly travelling on the same ship out, and being sponsors at baptisms etc
Do you have Aussie connections? I could send what LITTLE I have of these connections if you are interested, but records are very sketchy...
But once again many thanks for your help which I will certainly follow up!
All the best
Clare in Australia
Tuesday 19th Feb 2013, 06:41AM -
Hi again Clare,
Regarding the administrative districts I can give you a quick run down.
- Baronies, for the most part, you will not need to know much except what Barony your area was in. The Baronies come into play with the older records. If I remember correctly, the Freeholders 1821 publication is organized by Barony. County Clare has that one online and if you are researching in Co Clare, you should check out the Clare Library site at www.clarelibrary.ie for the geneaology section and the donated section.
- Civil parishes are the Church of Ireland boundaries for each parish and DO NOT correspond to the Roman Catholic parish boundaries. Some record groups include the civil parish name and that helps you find the right records to review if you know what civil parish your person of interest is in.
- PLUs (Poor Law Unions) were set up in early 1800s to administer to the poor. Each included a central workhouse where poor could receive medical attention, reside, work for their meager provisions. PLUs and dispensary districts within the PLUs were used for civil registration (Births, Marriages, Deaths) and began in 1845 for marriages of Church or Ireland, but did not begin for all of Ireland until 1864. Baptisms in church registers are just as good but many registers were only filmed from 1860 to 1880. Some registers do start in early 1850s some in 1830s and rare ones begin in 1790s.
- Townland are collections of farms and may be as small as 10 acres. This is the smallest division of land in Ireland and makes perfect sense for a farm/farmer based economy.
Regarding Aussies from Clare, yes, some relations of my Macs did go but I do not believe their surname was McNamara. I think these went to Sydney but my Mac cousin tells me they must have died and did not have children.
BTW - also on Clare Library site is a Past Forum where you can read other peoples questions and see the answers. It is easy to pick a few things up just doing that much.
All the best,
James McNamara
Wednesday 20th Feb 2013, 02:35AM