Hi All,
My fathers family is NAGLE. My grandfather, Charles George Baillie NAGLE, settled in Tasmania, Australia about 1900. On his marriage certificate he stated he was born in Queenstown Ireland, his date of birth was 9 April, 1873. To date I have not found his birth certificate. From information I have been able to find from an aunt and cousins, Charles line back is:
John Henry Baillie NAGLE bn Cork, cir 1838 (date from English Census 1851) m Hortense Maria Ernestine TOUSSAINT
his parents were:
Henry Baillie NAGLE bn London, England cir 1815 (place & date from English Census 1851 & 1871) m Johanna MURPHY bn Douayhoma? Cork, cir 1819 ( place & date from English Census 1851 & 1861)
his parents were:
John NAGLE of Ballinamona Castle m Elizabeth BAILLIE
his father was:
Garrett NAGLE of Monanimy.
This family has been very hard to trace as they keep moving. Henry Baillie NAGLE had several children born in Cork, but others born in various places around London, England. He appears in the 1851 and 71 census records but not in others. His wife Johanna is in the 1851 & 61 but dies in 1868. In 1861 she is living with some of her children in London but Henry is not with them but she is "living on her husbands income" according to the enumerator, so I assume they are still married. In 1875 John Henry Baillie NAGLE is living in Mauritus when his second son is born, he was the assistant manager of the Port Louis Gas Company. Henry is living with John at that time. But there is no other official record of this family in Mauritius.
Some of the family turn up in India, one was supposedly a tea grower in Ceylon, and my grandfather ends up in Tasmania after nearly 20 years at sea, supposedly going to sea as a cabin boy when about 9 or 10.
Other lines of the family have turned up in Canada. The rest I have yet to find.
The main things I would like to find would be Charles birth certificate and the parish or townland of Baillnamona Castle which is apparently near Mallow. Any other information on this family would be a bonus.
Any help in tracking down this elusive family would be appreciated.
Bye Karlena Nagle
Saturday 14th Apr 2012, 05:18AM
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Hi Karlena,
Could you please post your message here (Monanimy): http://www.irelandxo.com/group/monanimy-cork and here (Ballynamona): http://www.irelandxo.com/group/mourneabbey-cork
County Cork is a very large county, so trying to find information without having a more precise idea of the location is very difficult. There are many, many, many parishes!
Civil registration records are available from the General Register Office (GRO). These start from 1864 however. You can access the website here: http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm
You could also try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffth's Valuation (1848-64). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful links you could try looking at, especially information related to parts of County Cork. Also check the Spinning Wheel Premium Lists dating from 1796 on this website. There are 1,170 names for Co. Cork.
You certainly have a fascinating background! From Cork to Mauritius to India to Taz! Wow!
It looks like the parish diocese is Glountane (Cloyne). If so, there are no marriage records, but there are baptismal records dating from 1829. These can be checked at the National Library of Ireland, Pos. 5008. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for more assistance.
Hopefully, people living in the locality will be able to provide you with more information.
Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.
Kind regards,
Sinead Cooney
Genealogist (Ireland XO)
Monday 16th Apr 2012, 04:02PM -
Hi Karlena
Ballinamona is between Mallow and Kildorrery. I would take it from the names that they were Church of Ireland which might make a distinction when trying to trace the family at this end. Its a little outside my area but I am making a few enquiries on your behalf and will get back to you.
Brenda
Tuesday 17th Apr 2012, 03:49PM -
The Nagles originally came to Ireland with the Normans in the 12th century. They had several castles in the North Cork area, including Monanimy and Ballinamona and Carrigacunna. In the 17th century they were a powerful family and were one of the few Catholic families in Ireland to hold on to their lands. One of them, Richard, was Attorney-General of England, and Speaker of the House of Commons under King James II. After James' defeat in the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 most of the Nagle lands and castles were seized by the Crown (King William). However, junior branches of the family continued to live in the area. They lived at Ballinamona until the late 1700's.
Three of their castles are still standing. Carrigacunna castle was lived in until the 20th century and is in very good repair. Monanimy castle is still lived in. Ballinamona is a roofless ruin, but the walls are still standing. Its a beautiful castle with some unusual features.
A good source of information is 'Family names of County Cork' by Diarmuid O Murchadha, published by The Collins Press, first edition 1985, second edition 1996
Monday 23rd Apr 2012, 08:21AM -
Hi all
I am currentlyu working on Garret Nagle (Neagle) familytree , please email me as another son Michael also went to Australia and I am in touch with a descendant
You find the family tree here , (just started this today)
http://www.geni.com/people/Ned-Nagle/6000000023739847911
Garret Neagle
Birth: estimated between 1735 and 1795
Castletownroche, Cork, IrelandDeath: 1816
Glenanore,Castletownroche, Cork, IrelandImmediate Family: Husband of Catherine Beaker
Father of Michael NagleAnnemarie
Mallow Cork
Tuesday 26th Nov 2013, 05:27PM