Ryan Family

Greetings from Tipperary . . . and . . . 

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out   . . . 

First off . . . the name RYAN is . . . the hardest SURNAME trace in Tipperary . . and Ireland . . . 

I started by searching on (Roots - very relible ..paid..search engine ) for the MARRIAGE of 

the given two . . John Ryan to Mary Casey . . . 1838 Killenaule , Tipperary . . . anf found NIl . . which surprised me . . . 

your given information looked so certain . . . so . . . this site will take you to the records of the Diocese of Cashel and Emly . . .

 https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0275

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632749#page/165/mode/1up

IF . . you have great eyesight . . and lots of patience . . . you may spot something . . . 

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I searched for the BIRTH of a John Ryan . . time line . . . 1805 . . 1825 . . . Tipperary . . . . 340 John Ryan's for that period . . . 

then MARY Casey . . . Birth . . time line  1800 - 1820 . . . 12 showings . .  none close to Killenaule . . . 

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for MARY Casey 

Next I searched a Tax roll from that time . . of Landowners // Property . . . known as " Griffiths Valuations " 1847 - 1864 . . very detailed . . . 

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=54&Submit.y=10&familyname=Ryan&firstname=John&baronyname=&countyname=TIPPERARY%2C+SOUTH+RIDING&unionname=CALLAN%2C+CASHEL%2C+%26+TIPPERARY&parishname=KILLENAULE

Again . . . nothing.

Same for Casey . . . nothing . . . 

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PLACENAMES . . . https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Killenaule&str=on  . . . . again I failed to find a Townsland called Ballybue . . . 

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Next I had a look at the 1901 National Census  . . . Ryans // Killenaule

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=Ryan&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=Tipperary&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=Killenaule&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=100

Nothing there . . . 

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SO . . as you can see . . .your PAIR . . . are slipping thru. the net . . . 

Could it be they Emigrated  // met in the States  . . . married there . . . had 7 children  ?????

Have you the Names and Dates of Birth of the Children . . . and locations  ????????????????

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Lots of Family Trees on Ancestry for John Ryan's . . . BUT none . . . with Spouse . . . Mary CASEY

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Sorry . . . 

Best I could do . . . good luck wih your continued search . . . 

Cheers . . . Eamonn.

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Attached Files

Further rootings . . . turned up the following on Ancestry . . .   . . (see below )

Hello Scorpio63,

Irish tradition holds that marriages take place in the bride’s parish. If the marriage could not be found in the Killenaule, Tipperary Catholic Parish, it’s possible it took place in a nearby parish where she lived.

A Catholic Parish map of South Tipperary from the National Library of Ireland in Kildare Street, Dublin, shows the parishes surrounding Killenaule: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0275

These include Moycarkey, Gortnahoe, Ballingarry, Drangan, Fethard, Cashel, and Boherlahan. You’ll also see in the National Library of Ireland link above that Killenaule baptisms go way back to 25 December 1742 and marriages back to 25 October 1812, though there are gaps in these registers.

I looked for the marriage of John Ryan and Mary Casey in one of the parishes bordering Killenaule and found it. I initially uncovered a transcription of the marriage at the Find My Past (FMP) website, which allows you to search for Catholic Parish baptisms, marriages, and burials/deaths covering all 32 counties of Ireland for free.

The FMP marriage transcription shows that John Ryan and “Maria” Casey were married in the Drangan Catholic Parish on 26 February 1838. You can view the marriage transcription at the following FMP link: https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0034112%2F1

You’ll have to register with FMP to view the transcription. Registration is free.

The marriage transcription shows that John Ryan was living in Currihine at the time of the marriage, and that Maria was living in Corshane. I’ll have more about the place-names, “Currihine” and “Corshane,” later.

Attached to the FMP transcription is a link that will take you to the Drangan Catholic Parish register where the marriage can be found. The marriage record can be accessed at the National Library of Ireland link at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632691#page/157/mode/1up

There are two facing pages to the register. The marriage for John Ryan and Maria Casey is on the left-hand page, 8th entry up from the bottom. You can enlarge the register by means of round icons in the upper center/right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

The marriage record shows that the priest, C. O’Brien, married John and Maria. The place-name Currihine is to the right of Maria’s name, which means that John and Maria may have actually both been living there at the time of the marriage. You won’t find a town called Currihine. What this name actually refers to is Curaheen.

The name of one of the witnesses to the marriage was Edmd, which stands for Edmund. His last name is Ryan. He may have been John’s brother. The other witness is Honora Crowley. The person who transcribed the marriage record at FMP mistakenly took Honora’s last name of Crowley as a town by the name of Corshane.

In the right margin of the marriage entry you’ll see the numbers 6, 2, 6. These mean that John and Maria made a donation to the church for 6 Pounds, 2 Shillings, and 2 pence for the marriage. This amount was a lot of money for that time in Ireland.

The marriage record below John and Maria’s is for Wm (William) Ryan and Mary Fitzgerald. The record shows they were also from Currihine. They made a donation to the church for 5 Pounds and 5 Shillings.

A Google Map shows that the distance from Drangan, where John and Maria were married, to Curraheen, where they were residing at the time of the marriage, is 2 miles: https://is.gd/KlPhG0

The Catholic Church in Drangan is called the Immaculate Conception. According to the online “Dictionary of Irish Architects 1720 – 1940,” the church was constructed between 1850-1853 by the architect Patrick Byrne. See: https://is.gd/l4nVkA

This means that the current church building would not have been the church in which John Ryan and Maria Casey were married.

To see the location of the Immaculate Conception Church in Drangan, go to the Google link at: https://is.gd/Jb4zLc

For a Google Street View of the church and graveyard see: https://is.gd/1giaws

I also found the Drangan “R.C. Chapel” on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1841 time period. The map was accessed from the GeoHive website link. See the map at: https://bit.ly/39BNpe7

If you compare the modern Google Map of the location of the Immaculate Conception Church in Drangan, with the Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 time period, you’ll see that the newer church structure was built in roughly the same location as the old. The Church in the Ordnance Survey Map is the church where John Ryan and Marty Casey would have been married.

For a description of Drangan from the 1837 edition of Lewis’s Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, go to the Library Ireland link at: https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/D/Drangan-Middlethird-Tipperary.php

I couldn’t find a Google Street View of Curraheen, but there is a Google Street View showing the narrow road leading to the town: https://is.gd/v77uek

To view Curraheen on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period go to the GeoHive link at:
https://bit.ly/3bHxnRx

As an aside, there will not be a civil registration marriage record for John Ryan and Mary Casey. Civil registration began in Ireland in 1845 when the government recorded civil marriages as well as Protestant marriages, but not Roman Catholic marriages. Civil registration of births , marriages, and deaths commenced in Ireland for all religious denominations in 1864.

BAPTISMS OF THE CHILDREN OF JOHN RYAN AND MARY CASEY

I uncovered Killenaule Catholic Parish baptism transcriptions for 7 children of John Ryan and Mary Casey at the FMP website. Each baptism is linked to a copy of the original baptism record held by the National Library of Ireland. You’ll see that the baptisms were very consistent in that they took place two years apart from each other.

The names and years of baptisms for the Ryan children are:

Eliza Ryan, 1840
James Ryan, 1842
Mary Ryan, 1844
Judith Ryan, 1846
Thomas Ryan, 1848
Edmund Ryan, 1850
Kate Ryan, 1852
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THE BAPTISM OF ELIZA RYAN

Eliza Ryan was baptized on 29 September 1840. The FMP transcription gives the residence of the family as, “Ballaghbien.”

You can view the baptism at the following FMP link: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0224375

A copy of Eliza’s original baptism record can be found on the left-hand register page, 2nd to the last entry below the September 1840 heading at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/75/mode/1up

The entry for Eliza’s baptism is very faded. Her godfather appears to be Edmund Ryan. Her godmother is Nory Casey. To the right of Nora’s name is the townland of residence for John, Mary, and Eliza Ryan. It looks more like it is Ballaghbrien, rather than Ballaghbien. Your information shows the family lived in Ballybue. The actual spelling of this town in English is Ballaghboy. In the Irish language it is spelled “An Bealach Buí,” meaning the “Yellow Way.” This name may have to do with the yellow gorse or furze growing in hedgerows along the roads and boreens in the area.

There are actually two townlands not very far from one another in County Tipperary with the name of Ballaghboy. One is Ballaghboy, Civil parish of Ballingarry; the other is Ballaghboy, Civil parish of Graystown.

The Ryan family would have lived in Ballaghboy, Graystown. Here’s why. According to a book by Brian Mitchell called, “A Guide To Irish Parish Registers,” Catholics living in the parish of Graystown would have attended church in Killenaule.

A townlands.ie map shows that Ballaghboy (highlighted in blue), by the Kill Hills Windfarm, is just southwest of Killenaule: https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/slievardagh/graystown/graystown/ball…

The Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period shows Ballaghboy the way it looked when Eliza Ryan and her family were living there: https://bit.ly/2UA0MXY

THE BAPTISM OF JAMES RYAN

James Ryan was baptized in “Ballaghbue,” on 20 March 1842, according to the FMP transcription at:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0224783

Ballaghbue, of course, refers to Ballaghboy.

James’s baptism record is the 5th entry down from the top of the right-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/86/mode/1up

His godparents are Pat Casey and Joanna Ryan.

THE BAPTISM OF MARY RYAN

According to the FMP transcription Mary Ryan was baptized in Ballaghbue on 13 June 1844:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0225399

A copy of Mary’s original baptism record is the 12th entry down the right-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/104/mode/1up

The first name of Mary’s godfather is William. I could not decipher his last name. Mary’s godmother is Margaret Casey.

THE BAPTISM OF JUDITH RYAN

Judith Ryan was baptized in Ballaughbue on 9 February 1846: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0225851

Judith’s baptism record is the 6th entry down the left-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/119/mode/1up

Her godparents are John Britt and Ellen Stapleton.

THE BAPTISM OF THOMAS RYAN

Thomas was baptized in “Ballaghbee” on 12 April 1848 according to the FMP transcription at:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0226346

Thomas’s baptism is the 8th entry down from the top of the right-hand register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/134/mode/1up

His godparents are John Connors and Betty, whose last name looks like it could be Grade.

THE BAPTISM OF EDMUND RYAN

Edmund Ryan was baptized on 24 February 1850 in Ballaghbee, according to the FMP transcription:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0226726

His baptism record is the 3rd entry up from the March 1850 subheading at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/146/mode/1up

No godfather is recorded. Edmund’s godmother is Johanna O’Connor.

THE BAPTISM OF KATE RYAN

Kate Ryan was baptized on 25 may 1852. The residence of the family is now Burnchurch. See the FMP transcription at:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0227012

Kate’s baptism is the 4th entry up from the bottom of the right-hand baptism register page at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632750#page/5/mode/1up

Once again, a godfather is not recorded. Kate’s godmother’s name appears to be Bridget Crohun, but I could have misinterpreted her last name.

A Google Map shows that Burnchurch, by the shortest route, is 6.5 miles northeast of Killenaule: https://is.gd/z8Qppn

For a Google Street View of the road to Burnchurch, see: https://is.gd/lPl8Wz

To view an Ordnance Survey Map of Burnchurch from the 1837 to 1842 time period, go to the GeoHive link at: https://bit.ly/2UVb4kC

Scorpio, had you known that your ancestors had also lived in a townland called Burnchurch?

I could not find definitive information online about how Burnchurch got its name. There is also a Burnchurch in County Kilkenny. County Kilkenny is on the eastern border of County Tipperary.

Maybe somebody living in the Burnchurch area who reads this reply can shed more light on how Burnchurch got its name.

THE KILLENAULE CATHOLIC CHURCH

As you know, all seven Ryan children were baptized in the Killenaule Catholic Parish. The name of the present church structure is St. Mary, which was constructed circa 1860, according to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website. For a slide show of the exterior of the church as well as details of the architecture of the church, go to the Buildings of Ireland website link at: https://is.gd/qQzJgr

For a map of Killenaule and the church, located off Bailey Street, go to the Buildings of Ireland link at:
https://webgis.buildingsofireland.ie/HistoricEnvironment/?REG_NO=221030…

The church in the center of the map is highlighted in grey/blue.

You can also read a very good description of the church with an accompanying photo at the killenaule.net/history link at:
http://www.killenaule.net/history-2/churches/st-marys-church/

In comparing the location of the Catholic Church in Killenaule between the Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1842 time period, to the location of St. Mary’s Church in the modern Buildings of Ireland map, it looks like the present day St. Mary’s was constructed on the same site where the former church had stood.

GRIFFITHS VALUATION

The 24 February 1850 baptism record for Edmund Ryan shows that he and his family were living in the townland “Ballaghbee,” that is, Ballaghboy. I next wanted to see if I could find his father John Ryan leasing property in Ballaghboy, in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation, which was enumerated in all 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Tipperary South was completed by the year 1850, the year Edmund Ryan was born.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman collecting the rent on Gale Day for the owner. This middleman was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

I found John Ryan did lease property in Ballaghboy, Civil Parish of Graystown. The transcription of his valuation entry is below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 4
Civil Parish: Graystown
Townland: Ballaghboy
Occupier: John Ryan
Immediate Lessor: Reps. Jn. Bagwell, Esq.
Description of Tenement: House and land
Area of Land: 15 Acres, 3 Roods, 34 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 9 Pounds
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 9 Pounds, 10 Shillings
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Griffiths Valuation shows that John Ryan leased over 15 acres of land and a house in Ballaghboy from the Reps. of Jn. (John) Bagwell, Esq. When you see the term Reps., meaning Representative, you know that the Immediate Lessor is deceased and that the estate was being administered either by a family member or an executor.

The over 15 acres of land John Ryan leased was likely used for farming and was valued at 9 Pounds, while the house was valued at 10 Shillings, for a total valuation of 9 Pounds and 10 Shillings. John Ryan would have paid a percentage of the value of the property toward the tax. The Map number 4 at the top of the valuation transcription represents the numbered location of John Ryan’s property in Ballaghboy on an Ordnance Survey Map compiled before the valuation took place. These Griffiths Ordnance Survey maps are very similar to the Ordnance Survey Maps you’ve seen in this reply from the GeoHive website, except that the maps from GeoHive do not have the map reference number imprinted on them.

I accessed the map of Ballaghboy that accompanies Griffiths Valuation and found Map Reference 4. However, I have never been able to link or attach these maps to replies such as this, but I can show you the location of John’s lease by going back to the Ordnance Survey Map for Ballaghboy you saw earlier. In this case however, I’ve had to pan the map to the southwest to come to the northeast quadrant of Ballaghboy on the border with Burnchurch in St. John Baptist Civil Parish. See the map at: https://bit.ly/2UWpmkW

In the very center of the map you’ll see four fields. To the right of the fields are a thick green marker, then a red marker. To the right of the red marker you’ll see the townland of Burnchurch. Map reference 4 encompasses the four fields just described to the left of the green and red markers. In the center of the fields you’ll see a very tiny object that looks like a box. This would have been John Ryan’s home in Ballaghboy. If you pan the map to the upper right corner, you’ll come to the geographical center of Ballaghboy.

Griffiths Valuation also shows that at map reference 1a and 1b, James and Michael Ryan leased over 104 acres of land from the Representatives of John Bagwell Esq. in Ballaghboy. They each leased their own house, offices, and gardens. The valuation for James’s acres of land is 15 Pounds and 5 Shillings, while his house and offices were valued at 1 Pound and 10 Shillings. His total valuation was 16 Pounds and 15 Shillings

Michael Ryan would have leased the greater portion of the land, as his land was valued at 45 Pounds and 15 Shillings, while his house and offices were valued at 1 Pound and 15 Shillings. The total valuation for his leasehold was 47 Pounds and 15 Shillings.

According to genealogist James R. Reilly an office in a Griffiths Valuation record could refer to several types of outbuildings, such as, “factories, mills, shops and farm outbuildings…,a stable, turf shed, cow barn, corn shed, a piggery, and so forth.”

Interestingly, James Ryan is shown to be the Immediate Lessor for a house and garden at map reference 1c leased by an Occupier named Catherine Hall. In addition, Michael Ryan is shown to be the Immediate lessor for property leased by Mary Quinlan at map reference 1e, and Anne Callaghan at map reference 1f.

Michael Ryan is also the Immediate Lessor for a house and garden leased by Patrick Ryan at map reference 1g. Patrick leased over an acre of land valued at 1 Pound and 5 Shillings, while his house was valued at 10 Shillings. The total valuation for Patrick’s property was 1 Pound and 15 Shillings. Patrick would not have been required to pay a tax on his lease, as those properties valued under 5 Pounds were not required to pay the tax.

Michael and James Ryan, as Immediate Lessors, were probably the middlemen for the trustees of the property administered by the Representatives of John Bagwell, Esq.

Also in Ballaghboy, at map reference 9c, James Ryan leased a house and garden from an Immediate Lessor named Michael Davern. The garden was well under an acre and valued at 2 Shillings, while the house was valued 5 Shillings, for a total valuation of 7 Shillings.

The same James Ryan may have actually leased two different properties in Ballaghboy, one for himself and his family, and one for a family member or for friends of his. In Griffiths Valuation if you paid for a house you didn’t live in or paid for land that you didn’t farm, you were still recorded as the Occupier.

JOHN RYAN AND MARY CASEY

The marriage record for John Ryan and Mary Casey shows they were Drangan Catholic Parish on 26 February 1838. Because marriages took place in the bride’s parish, it is feasible that Drangan was Mary’s parish, while Killenaule may have been John’s parish because the family moved to Ballaughboy in that Catholic parish after they married. Also, the Killenaule Catholic Parish is where their children were baptized from 1840 to 1852.

If John Ryan and Mary Casey were at least 18 years old when they married, they would have been born circa 1820. If they were in their 20s, they could have been born anytime in the 18 teens and before.

Concerning John Ryan, if he had been born and baptized in the Killenaule Catholic Parish, there are at least 8 baptism records between 1814 and 1822 that may refer to him. Two of the three baptisms took place in 1821 and one baptism in 1822, which would have made them 16 and 17 years old respectively, if married in 1838. You can see the 8 indexes of these baptisms at the FMP link at: https://is.gd/DzMwlZ

I accessed the FMP transcriptions for all 8 of the Killenaule baptisms. Of the 8 baptisms, two do not give the residence of the child and parents, while the other six baptisms do. Of these six only one baptism shows the family living in “Ballaughbee,” (Ballaghboy). This is for the John Ryan baptized on 22 May 1816. The transcription shows that his parents were John Ryan and Catherine Heffernan. See the transcription at:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0217938

Once again however, there is no way to prove that this baptism refers to the John Ryan in your direct line. You would need to who his parents were to see if it does or does not.

Concerning Mary Ryan, no baptisms for her were found in the Killenaule Catholic Parish for the years 1814 to 1822.

In the Drangan Catholic Parish baptisms begin in 1811. For the time period, 1814 to 1822, there were only three baptisms for children named Mary Casey. See the FMP indexes at: https://is.gd/HR1B5m

One is for a Mary Casey baptized on 6 September 1818. There are also two records for a Mary Casey with the same parents. One Mary Casey was baptized on 18 April 1821. The FMP transcription shows her parents were Thomas Casey and Ellen Tobin. The other Mary Casey was baptized on 23 August 1823. Her parents too, were Thomas Casey and Ellen Tobin. This means that the first-born Mary Casey baptized in 1821 had died and that her parents named another daughter after her in 1823.

The Mary Casey baptized in 1823 would have only been 15 years old if she married in 1838, which I suppose is feasible, but less likely I think than the Mary Casey Baptized in 1818. Her actual baptism date is 6 September 1818. Her parents were Patrick Casey and Judith Shea. No residence for the Casey family is recorded in the FMP baptism transcription, which you can view at: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F0187427

The 1818 baptism for Mary Casey can be looked at as circumstantial evidence for your ancestor. This circumstantial evidence is a little stronger when you consider that John Ryan and Mary Casey had named one of their daughters Judith, baptized in the Killenaule Catholic Parish on 9 February 1846, as noted earlier in this reply. The child Judith may have been named after her mother’s mother.

GOING FORWARD IN TIME

I looked for John and Mary Ryan in the 1901 Irish census at the National Archives of Ireland 1901 and 1911 search engine at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

I looked for them in Burnchurch in the 1901 census but did not find them. They would have been in their 80s in 1901, though ages in the 1901 and 1911 Irish census records can be off by a few years, and in many cases, off by several years. I also looked for them in Ballaghboy, but once again did not find them. They may have been deceased by 1901.

DEATH RECORDS

There are no civil registration death records in Ireland before 1864. If John and Mary Ryan died after 1863, I would need to know the year, or at least the approximate year they died because the Ryan name was, and is numerous in Ireland.

Many Catholic Parishes did not keep burial records, though some did. The townlands of Ballaghboy and Burnchurch were in the Catholic Parish of Killenaule, which did not keep burial records during the time that John and Mary were alive. The challenge to finding their death records in any case, is that there was also another family living in Burnchurch where the husband was John Ryan and the wife was Mary. In further research I learned that Mary’s maiden name was Dwyer. John and Mary Dwyer had at least 7 children baptized in the Killenaule Catholic Church between 1836 and 1853. See the FMP index for the baptisms at: https://is.gd/n0x8cA

It would be very easy to confuse the two families, not only because they had the same surname, but also because they lived in Burnchurch at the same time.

With Best Wishes,

Dave Boylan

I have been researching the Ryan’s of Ballaghboy for some time.  The information you have provided to scorpio63 I believe is my family line. I believe my gg grandfather is Patrick Ryan baptized May 22nd, 1821 to Patrick and Anne Ryan. My Patrick could easily be John’s brother (or cousin) I would very much like to communicate with Mr. Boylan in this regard.   
 
uncle Remus. (Mark R./Wisconsin Ryan)

Hello Mark,

Many thanks for writing.

Unfortunately, I don't have any further information about the Ryan and Casey line, other than what you see in the reply to scorpio63 from 4 April 2020.

I am not a descendant of the Ryans and Caseys, but just wanted to provide scorpio63 some of the information I found online pertaining to the ancestors he was looking for. 

With Kind Regards,

Dave

Your response is quite appreciated Dave. I supplied my Ancestry DNA to the Irish Family History Center and they showed the above John Ryan and Mary Casey being close relatives to my direct line. I was hoping to communicate with scorpio63 somehow as well. Your detailed information you provided him interested me greatly. I hunger for more. Thank you for your service.   Mark R.  

Hi Mark,

Many thanks for writing. If there are one or two people you’d like me to look for in Irish records, please let me know in a follow-up reply. In addition to their name or names, I would need their date of birth, place of birth (town, county, or parish), and the names of their parents, including the mother’s maiden name.

Thank you again, Mark.

Dave

Davepat

   Roseanne Cahill, my gggrandmother, self reported Longford as her birthplace. She also reported her mothers name to be Roseanne Nagle(spelling.) DNA points to Longford townland, Lacca church area and Arles, Laois. DNA connection to John Cahill and his children Percy and Mary. This John could be the son of John, a shoemaker living in Ballynagall in 1843. Roseanne married Patrick Ryan born 1821 or 1822, from Ballaghboy, Killenaule parish (Greystown) we believe. (mentioned in above posting) Roseanne married Patrick in Wisconsin and she purchased the Ryan family farm of 160 acres. Any verification of these beliefs would have many Wisconsin Ryan’s overjoyed. We thank you for your significant service, work and offer. Mark R.