work in progress: families of Clonbur

R. W. Keyes:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

You are to be commended for all the great work on Clonbur. I will alert our HQ staff about your message.

I have spent eighteen years transcribing the 1901 census and you are correct that ages generally were understated sometimes by 10 years. The Old Age Pension Act was passed in 1908 and therefore an incentive was created to have the correct age in the 1911 census so you will find better age accuracy in that census.

Here is my site www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census I'm currently working on Co. Donegal.

Roger McDonnell

Morning R.W

Thanks for getting in touch. My grandfather's family were from in and around Clonbur - the Lowrys and they are tangled lot! 

I am not sure what the situation is with the .ged extension files but will find out. In the meantime would you be happy for me to create a news item about your work so far? I can add it to the Clonbur parish page and give directions to your ancestry 'Clonbut families'. You can email me at cdoyle@irelandxo.com and let me know what you think.

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

Hello R.W., 

My grandparents were Thomas and Bridget Joyce of Cloughbrack Upper.  In 1901 my grandmother is listed as  the head of  household in #56 under her maiden name of Bridget Kerrigan. Her two younger siblings lived with her, and her mother Mary Kerrigan (a widow) was in #43 with the other children. By 1911 Bridget is now head of household in #53 as Bridget Joyce and her mother Mary Kerrigan is living in #44. Bridget's husband, Thomas Joyce, is not listed in the census. I know he traveled back and forth from Ireland to Pittsburgh a few times during those years so I assume he could have been overseas in 1911. I have much information about the Joyce and Kerrigan families such as birth dates and immigration information if that would be ​helpful to you.  My mother is Margaret Joyce Hynes born in 1915. She is still alive at age 102 and living with me in the Boston area. All of her Cloughbrack connections are long gone. Her last sibling living in Bohaun died in 1995. I would be very interested in seeing your .ged file.  My goal is to someday be able to trace the Kerrigan family further which is very tangled as you get into the mid 1800s.  Looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Mary H.  

Dear R.W.:

As you can see, your hard work has brought about some interest.  If you are still interested in sharing what you have found and all the hard work and effort that you have put into the "Clonbur Families", will you please get in contact?  It would be a wonderful resource for the Clonbur parish page and would also assist you in finding more of your family.

Kind regards,

Jane Halloran Ryan

Volunteer Coordinator

First let me apologize for not getting back here sooner. I didn't know that anyone had replied.

Clare Doyle: I will email you as requested

Jane Halloran Ryan: I suppose you can mention it, but I'd like to add I am building on and working with my 2nd cousin once removed, Martin O'Halloran, whom many of you have probably heard of.

Mary Hermann: I found your grandmother in the 1901 census, but it curiously lists her as single. I can't find any marriage record for her in the civil collection, but that's not entirely unusual, I will try the church records. I would very much like to receive the data you have on Kerrigans, as my great-great grandmother was Mary Kerrigan (1852-1897), daughter of Patrick Kerrigan (1811-1891), and Mary who's maiden name and lifespan I do not know. Mary Kerrigan, my 2nd great grandmother, was married to Hugh Maguire, and were parents to Julia Maguire (1881-1963), who emigrated to Boston from where my extended family in the US is centered (Massachusetts facts: I was born in Boston, Grew up in Lenox, went to college in Cambridge and lived in Boston for over twenty years, and now live in Westfield. My parents live in Williamstown).

Roger McDonnell: 18 years! that's a long-term project! Thanks for all of your work.

To all, I will be in Ireland this September with my family, spending time in Dublin and Cork for ten days.

Dear R.W.:

Thanks for your reply and no worries not having replied sooner.

I'm delighted to hear that you will be in Ireland in September and if you find yourself in Galway/Clare, it would be great to try to meet.

You can email me at:  jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com. 

Clare is no longer working with the Ireland Reaching Out project, but I will be happy to accept any information that you have at the above address.

Many thanks for your interest in Ireland Reaching Out and I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Jane.

Dear R.W.,  Thnaks for responding.  Yes, my grandmother Bridget  Kerrigan is still single in the 1901 census. I could not find a marriage in the civil records either. I estimate that the marriage took place  around 1904 or early 1905 since  their first child was born in late 1905.  It would be great if you could find them in the church records. I have my line of Kerrigans back to my 2x great-grandparents, Matthias Kerrigan and Maria Murphy.  I am unable to go back any further since there are multiple Kerrigan families with the names Matthias and Patrick in the mid-1800s.   I can forward information that I have on my line if you would like. Nice to hear all of your Boston area connections. We relocated to the Hopedale, Ma  in 1990 from Cleveland, Ohio.  If you would like my information please contact me at paulcherrmann@verizon.net.   Sincerely, Mary

Hi Mary,

I have one Matthias Kerrigan in the tree, as the father or Martin Kerrigan who married Sarah Laffey. I have run into the same issues with multiple people with the same names in the same general area, both in Joyce Country (my father's mother's family) and in Dunmanway (my mother's mother's side).

Hi Jane,

I am sorry to hear that  Clare is not longer with Ireland XO.I don't think I'll be making it to Clare or Galway this trip. However, I am planning a new business venture which would benefit from a European branch and I have already identifid the Shannon Free Zone as the most suitable location.

Mary and Jane, I have both ent you invitations by email to the Clonbur Families tree on Ancestry.com.

To everyone: How far have people from the Clonbur area proceeded with genetic testing? I have had much done. I spent a lot of money, but for those of you who aren't in a rush, you can save money by waiting for a sale, which seems to happen 4-5 times a year at FamilyTreeDNA or Ancestry.I have tested with both of those services, while my parents have used 23andME. FamilyTreeDNA seems to be thoe most sophisticated, but each service has its niche.

Anyone else who wishes to be invited to the Clonbur Families tree on Ancestry.com, just post your email address and I'll send an invitation along.

Regards,

Robert W. Keyes

Hello Robert,

Yes please, send me an invite to Clonbur Families Tree.  janet.boyle@icloud.com

Jan

Please include me on the CFT please  mnhaverty1@gmail.com ! Do I have to be a member of Ancestry ?

Thank you for the invite, RW!!

 Jane

Thank you, R.W. for shaing your Ancestry tree. I took a look and noticed that some dates are missing from my Kerrigan line. I will try to share the information as soon as possible.   Sincerely, Mary

Dear R.W.      I shared the Cloughbrack Upper Kerrigan and Joyce files today but  they don't seem to have been  posted.  Let me know how to proceed.         Mary

Dear R.W.,  I finally posted the attached files of my family members above. I have Martin Kerrigan (d. 1994) as dying in Cleveland, but I believe your record is more accurate since the hospital was Lakewood Hospital.     Also, I have been looking at your Ancestry tree and noticed that you have my great-grandmother, Mary Saunders Kerrigan's death listed as May of 1899.  You noted a discrepancy in the record since that person was listed as a widow on the record.   I know that my Mary Saunders Kerrigan didn't die until the 1920s in Glentrague since my mother (b. 1914)  grew up knowing  her grandmother. However,  I was unable to find any death record for Mary Kerrigan  in Ougtherard civil records in that time frame.  I don't know who the Mary Saunders is that died in 1899.  

Thank  you for the information, Mary. Upon entering it into the tree in Ancestry.com, I noticed matches coming up in the family trees entered by Martin O'Halloran, with a few differences. He is very active in this activity! I also came across entries of yours in find-a-grave, and ancestry was able to fill in some birthday and husbands' info, as well as children.

Does your mother speak Irish?

Hello R.W.,    I have been in contact with Martin also. He was very helpful with my Mother's Joyce side from Kilbride.  If you need more information about the U.S. born Kerrigans I have census records I can upload. These would be my mother's first cousins in PA, OH,and MI most of whom have passed away. Yes, Irish was my mother's first language but she has lost much of it since she immigrated at a young age. She does revert to Irish once in awhile.        Sincerely, Mary

Hi Mary,

Here's how we're related. There may be other ways as well, hidden in the deeper Kerrigan past.

Mary Hynes 
niece of wife of nephew of husband of sister-in-law of uncle of wife of brother-in-law of 1st cousin 3x removed

Margaret Joyce (1914 - )
mother of Mary Hynes

Bridget (BaBa) Kerrigan (1879 - 1955)
mother of Margaret Joyce

Mary Joyce (1905 - 1995)
daughter of Bridget (BaBa) Kerrigan

John (Jack Tom Mhainín) Mannion (1910 - 1984)
husband of Mary Joyce

Mary Ging (1879 - )
mother of John (Jack Tom Mhainín) Mannion

Patrick Ging (1841 - )
father of Mary Ging

Patrick Ging (1876 - 1957)
son of Patrick Ging

Catherine McGovern (1886 - 1970)
wife of Patrick Ging

Edward McGovern (1839 - 1925)
father of Catherine McGovern

Annie McGovern (1881 - 1920)
daughter of Edward McGovern

John Thornton (1874 - 1949)
husband of Annie McGovern

Peter Thornton (1839 - 1937)
father of John Thornton

Katherine Thornton (1881 - 1970)
daughter of Peter Thornton

Catherine Kerrigan (1912 - 2012)
daughter of Katherine Thornton

Michael Burke (1889 - 1979)
husband of Catherine Kerrigan

Patrick Burke (1856 - 1934)
father of Michael Burke

Kate Burke (1895 - 1967)
daughter of Patrick Burke

Patrick Mc Guire (1903 - 1990)
husband of Kate Burke

John McGuire (1858 - )
father of Patrick Mc Guire

Mary Morran (1828 - 1898)
mother of John McGuire

Hugh Maguire (1849 - 1925)
son of Mary Morran

Julia J. Maguire (1880 - 1963)
daughter of Hugh Maguire

Mary Theresa Dolan (1909 - 1981)
daughter of Julia J. Maguire

William Robert Keyes 
son of Mary Theresa Dolan

Robert William Keyes
You are the son of William Robert Keyes

Wow.  That is amazing that you can even make all of those connections.  My mother always called Jack Mannion by his Irish name that you mentioned.  My mother was known to everyone as  "Maggie Brid (pronounced Breege) Baba".   Mary and Jack spoke Irish most of the time but had to speak English when we visited.  Thanks for sharing that.

Mary

Hi Mary, ancestry generates the relationship explanation automatically, so the only credit I can take is for entering in data and making connections. Once I connected the Ging family in, it was clear.

I have a question for you regarding your great-grandmother Ellen Joyce. Other family trees, of unknown reliability, have her dying in 1954 at age 103 in Pittsfield, Mass. Do you know if this is true, or even possible? I just moved from Pittsfield a few months ago and go back there often. I could do some research on her while there.

I continue to add people to the Clonbur families tree.

Regards,

Bob Keyes

My great-grandmother, Ellen Joyce (nee Joyce),  never immigrated. My mother used to visit her in Kilbride as a child. She died there in 1932.  As far as I know they had no one in Pittsfield.  Four of Ellen's daughters immigrated and are buried in Pittsburgh. However, I do have a Pittsfield connection in my immediate family. My son-in-law's mother was raised there. Their name is Barrett.  Also, if you want to add my dad's name to my mother's Ancestry information he was Joseph Hynes (1919-1998) from Knockbrack, Athenry, Galway. 

Dear R. W,,  After rethinking the 1899 death of Mary Kerrigan that you recorded on the Ancestry tree I believe it could possibly be my great-great grandmother named Maria (Murphy) Kerrigan.  She was married to Mathias Kerrigan and had at least three children:  my great-grandfather Patrick,  Luke (Bapt. 10/28/1859), and John (Bapt. 10/21/1860).  I couldn't find Patrick's baptismal record. Maria's husband, Mathias, died in 1892 so that could explain her being recorded as a widow.  The Mary Kerrigan that was present at Maria's death could be either her daughter-in-law Mary (Saunders) Kerrigan or her granddaughter Mary Kerrigan Beas.               Sincerely, Mary   

Hi Mary, I removed the Pittsfield death record for Ellen Joyce. Interesting about the Barretts. I had a high school teacher by that name I wonder if there is a relation. I put your father's data in and found some conforming data. I was worried that your Mathias Kerrigan was the one involved in the Huddy murders of 1882, but thankfully, the family defails do not match. I have entered the death date for Mary Murphy Kerrigan as you suggested may be the proper one.

Hi R.W.,    I had also  been worried a while back that Mathias Kerrigan of Huddy Murder fame was my great-great grandfather but as you noted the years don't match up . I bet he is a cousin of my relative though.  I don't know of any of the Barretts that were teachers.  Thanks for adding my dad's information.    Sincerely,   Mary  

Hello again,

I just viewed the information for Joseph M. Hynes. His death was the alternate one listed of April 18, 2015. So you can delete the January date. Also  the Rockford residence was from about 30 years ago so you could delete that. Also, I was wondering if you wanted to add John Mannion and Mary (Joyce) Mannion's daughter who was born in Bohaun.  Her name is Mary Ann Mannion born in August , 1947. She now lives in Manchester, England.  Thanks again.

Sincerely,

Mary      

My mom (Nora Duffy) was born and raised in Cloughbrack. Her parents were Patrick and Bridget (Kerrigan) Duffy. Patrick Duffy's parents were Michael and Honora (Coyne) Duffy. Bridget Kerrigan's parents were John and Katherine (Thornton) Kerrigan. I am looking for genealogical information on my family. My mom has some information, but some details have been lost for older generations. I will try to get her on this site to read through the information posted. Many of the names mentioned are familiar to me as they are relatives or family friends that I met as a child or often heard spoken of. 

I would also like an invite to the Clonbur Families tree on Ancestry.com, if this is still available. 

Thank you,

Shannon

My apologies. I forgot to include my email address. It's shannon.bridget@gmail.com

Thank you again!

My great grandmother (Nora Walsh) was born and raised in Cloughbrack. Her parents were John and Mary (Comer) Walsh. Nora emigrated to Boston and married a Thomas Shields and they had several children before she died at a young age.  Upon her death, my grandmother (Katherine) and her brother Tommy were sent to Cloughbrack to live with Walsh relatives before they returned to Boston as teenagers.  Katherine never returned to Ireland but my Uncle Tommy (really great uncle) returned often as he would lead travel groups to Ireland.  During the time that they lived in Cloughbrack I was told that they lived with a Bachelor Uncle - Martin Walsh who was a tailor.  If there are any folks on this thread that can help me in piecing some additional history together I would be grateful. - Kerry White

Dear Nova Girl,

You might be able to gather information if you join the Clonbur-Connemara Genealogy FB page.  R.W. Keyes has a  Clonbur Familes tree on Ancestry. If you request for him to give you access you should be able to find information about the Walsh family on there. I know that he is on the FB page I mentioned or you could leave a request here also. Good luck.

Hello Clonbur friends,

I'm excited to find this thread and would lilke to know if the Clonbur tree on Ancestry is just for people in the immediate Clonbur area or if it includes the whole parish?

I am descended from Lydens and Mulrowes (therefore potentially related to just about everyone in the area lol) and I have found some of their records in "Clonbur 1", but they definitely lived over to the West of Lough Mask.

Any hope for me?!

Orla

Orla, I probably have some records for your family. I am expanding as I go, with the census as a starting point but no specific ending point. If you'd like an invitation to the tree, send me your email address and I'll add you.

I'd upload a .ged file if this website allowed it. 

Dear rkeyes:

Thanks for your contrinued posts to this thread which you created.  We are hoping to get that function of .ged file upload resolved.  I will keep you posted.

All the best,

Jane

Thanks RW!    Please email to orlatunney @ gmail.com (without the spaces :)

Hello All,

I have just finished entering in another townland, Ballard, in the 1901 census in the "Clonbur Families" tree. I have been able to trace some of them fowards and back, but others dead-ended. I made good progress with Herwood/Herward and Molloy. If  you're interested in the Portland (Maine) Irish community, I may have added some content of use to you. I've traced some from Ballard to the present day in the USA.

As usual, if you don't have an invite to the tree on Ancestry, let me know your email address, or send me a message on Ancestry and I'll send you an invite. If I have overlooked any requests made in the past, please let me know and I'll try again.

Hello RW,

         Could you please send another invite to the family tree. You have sent one in the past but I noticed it recently expired and I have no access.  My email address is paulcherrmann@verizon.net.  Thanks very much.

Sincerely,

Mary Herrmann

I've sent you an invitiation, Mary, let me know if you don't get it or have other problems with it. 

I look forward to the day when I can upload a GED here.

Thank you so much, R.W.

Hello again R.W.,

I was looking at the family tree, and I noticed there is a discrepancy in my great-great-grandfather's genealogy.  He was Mathias Kerrigan married to Maria Murphy. The children that I believe they had together were Patrick, John, Luke, and  Martin(not sure about this one).  There are two seperate Mathias Kerrigans who were married and having children in the 1850s and 1860s. The other Mathias Kerrigan is married to Biddy Kerrigan nee Kerrigan. The latter Mathias is the one who spent months in jail after the Huddy Murders of 1882 and eventually became the informer naming three other men as the murderers.  As I am sure you know it is very difficult to sort out all of the Kerrigans in the village.                                                                     Sincerely,                                                                                                                                                                                          Mary Herrmann

I've finished the townland of Ballymaglancy. There were only four houses in it, but I was able to add a lot of connections to the people, in part because of its size.

Hello R.W.,

I have ancestors from Clonbur and surrounding communities in ireland. I would be interested to see if I can connect some dots using your work on Ancestry.com. My email you can use to share with me your trees is, Bamboopeople3@gmail.com

Would much appreciate it, Lucas W.

Dear Lucas,

It might also help you in your genealogy search if you would join the Facebook page Clonbur-Connemara Area Genealogy Group. There are many local Clonbur people that are very knowledgeable. You can also leave a message there for R.W. Keyes and he will send you a link to the Clonbur families tree on Ancestry.  Good luck in your search.

Sincerely,

Mary  Herrmann

Dear All:

I would encourage any or all of you to contribute an Ancestor Profile to the Ireland XO Chronicles feature on this website.  It will assist all others who have a Clonbur connection whether it be through an ancestor or a family surname..  The link to create an Ancestor profile is here:  https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/ancestor-database

If you have any questions about creating a profile, please email us at:  info@irelandxo.com

Kind regards,

Jane

Dear R.W. Keyes,

I would be delighted to receive an invitation to the Clonbur Families tree on Ancestry.co.uk. I have recently embarked on discovering more about my family that hail from Clonbur, in particular Carrowheeken.

Best wishes,

Cameron

Hello. I am helping my husband look for his Walsh ancesters from Dooghta Galway. I know he has a John Walsh married to Mary Kelly. Thank You for any help. square813@aol.com

Michelle

Hi Michelle,

I am a Walsh descendant.  My Great grandmother was Nora Walsh from Cloughbrack.  Her mother was Mary Comer Walsh.

Kerry

Hello there, 

Could i be invited to the ancestry tree for Clonbur? my mail is Eugene.d.riley@gmail.com

I'm digging into my ancestral background. I have links to Canney/Canny and Carney/Kearney to Clonbur/Cloughbrack and Ardnageeha.

I also know that my 2x great-grandmother was a Comer.

Any info you can shed would be wonderful.

Regards,

Eugene