Where is Lough Village?

Lough Village

Hi Georges 

In the civil records it is recorded as 'Cunananty'

Looking at the 1901 Census for any Lawrence Kenny in that area with an address matching I found this 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Castle_Ffrench/… and the info on alternate spellings and more:  http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/place/5228

Mary, Michael's mother was a Mannion and he is listed as being from Ballinacor of which there are 3 with different landlords

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Cloonkeen/

I run a Facebook group for Mannion descendants and we have some from that area who have done DNA I would welcome you aboard if you are a Mannion descendant

https://www.facebook.com/groups/259339384445890/

There is a Mannion gathering in August 2017 where we hope Mannions from around the world will attend This is the 4th annual event since the Mannion clan was organised in 2013

Martin

Hi martin,

If the name is Lough village, would there not be a lake somewhere in the vicinity? The biggest one near to Cornananta is in the Ballinlass estate. there is a small bog lake in Cornadrum but it is hardly worthy of the name.

This is the EPPI website of census data from 1841 - 1861 for the area. It shows how some homelands were de-housed and de-populated after an Gorta More (eg. Cloonabricka, Cornadrum) and others remain relatively unscathed (Cornanata, Corrabaun). Maybe Lough village was partially de-populated and then gently faded away.

www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/14545/eppi_pages/376841#

John 

PS - There are two Lawrence Kennys sited in Griffiths one in Cloonabricka and one in Cornananta More

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

Hi Martin,

I was just chatting to my mother on the phone and mentioned your post (she was born in Cornadrum, Killeroran in 1925 - she's 92). I asked her if she had heard of Lough Village and she said yes - she said it was just south of Cornadrum towards Castleffrench and it was, indeed, by a small lake. I asked her if she recalled any Kennys and she said yes, an elderly couple who lived there and, as far as she could remember, had no children. Then, unprompted, she said the other family she could remember from there, were Mannions. Apart from them, there was a family called Larkin and she is able speak to their grand-daughter, "out of curiosity", to see if she has any info. Finally, as an aside, she had a childhood recollection of one strange, slightly scary, old woman from there that used to try and feed children bread, as though they were ducks! That's what living by a lake can do to you.

She doesn't believe that there will be anyone living there now.

Thanks John

The 'lake' looks likely to be the turlough that is in the OSI map of 1838 but which is recorded merely as 'liable to flood' in the 1890s map 

That is indeed south of Cornadrum towards Castleffrench and in Cornananta More (as per Google maps)

Great that she has those memories and hopefully you will put them down on paper Sadly too many similar stories are lost forever 

Do you live local ?

Hope Georges will see the responses and get back to us

Martin

I was preparing a response for John, and then saw the other messages. It sounds like we are getting close. As far as I know, all the children eventually emigrated to the US, but I do not know for Catherine Kenny-Connely. It could be that the elderly couple without children was an elderly couple grieving teh departure of their children. It would be astonishing that somebody today remembers the Kenny-Cahill!

 Hi Martin,

Thank you for providing a detailed answer to my message.   I have many years of experience with French genealogy, but Ireland is new to me and somewhat disorienting, and some of my questions or comments below may seem trivial to you. I will follow your text, top to bottom.

• Civil records. How do I get to see them?  Can one see the primary record or a transcription?
   
• Cunananty. I cannot find any reference to this place using Google. Neither could I find Lough Village, but lots of Loughs, lakes I think. On page 14 of the document I have for the marriage of Catherine I have both Law village (second entry) and Lough Village for the (7th entry). On page 12, 3rd entry, something that reads like Tunahane (Cunahanty?). For a while I was trying to fit Lough Village into Ffrench Village, which I do see on maps, but I do not think it fits.
   
• 1901 census. The first names (Lawrence, Thomas) are typical of the family, but one generation later than the Lawrence Thomas I am looking for (born around 1818)
   
• Facebook group. My wife is the Irish one, still looking for her roots, and the one to give her blood. A summer party sounds great!

Here is the family for which I am attempting to find the roots. Catherine Kenney, mentioned in my original mail is second to last in the list of children

KENNY/KENNEY Lawrence N : ../../1818  

x CAHILL Bridget N : ~ ../../1819  

| ...KENNY ; KENNEY Bridget N : ../../1838   D : 22/08/1887 Massachussetts

| ...x MONAGHAN Patrick N : ../../1834  M : 12/01/1863 Roxbury (Suffolk)  Laborer

| ...KENNY ; KENNEY Ann N : 25/07/1839 Ireland  D : 15/09/1912 Boston (Mass)

| ...x GATELY John N : 14/03/1831 Ireland M : 25/06/1857 Roxbury (Mass) D : 22/06/1907 Boston (mass)

| ...KENNY ; KENNEY Ellen N : ~ ../../1840 IRELAND  D : 25/02/1903 75 Maywood St (Boston)

| ...x GATELY Lawrence N : ../../1834 Ireland M : 07/07/1864 Roxbury (Suffolk) D :  av/ /1903  Laborer

| ...KENNY ; KENNEY John N : ../01/1843   D : 16/11/1914 41 Lewis St (Fall River) Laborer

| ...x MULLINS Margaret N : ../11/1845 (Gal) M : 15/09/1863 Salford (Lan) D : 12/09/1916 824 County Street (Fall River)

| ...KENNY ; KENNEY Catherine N : ../../1847 Killeroran (Galway)  

| ...x CONNELLY Michael M : 28/09/1868 Killeroran (Galway) 

| ...KENNY ; KENNEY Mary J. N : ../../1850 Ireland  D : 30/01/1892 

| ...x FORD Martin N : ../../1843 Ireland M : 07/01/1869 Boston (Mass) D : ../../1889 Boston Circular sawyer

Georges Mony

Hi Martin/George - No I am not local, I live in Bristol, though I was born in Galway. My mother now lives in Dunmore and I have family in Ahascragh.

You are right about things being lost. I started working on our family tree to help my daughter with a school project. To my shame we realised that she was the only person in our family to have ever asked my mother about her family history. 

We have made some amazing discoveries using a combination of her personal memories and the internet, we have found things out about our ancestors that their nearest and dearest would not have known at the time and have made it back to the 1700s. Having gone through this process I would strongly recommend that it should be a part of every school curriculum that children (and their parents) produce a personal family history. The memories of ones grandparents are goldmines that need exploring before it is too late and they are gone. My daughter has also learned so much about Oliver Cromwell, an Gorta More, mass emmigration, Irish Independence etc. and their impact on our family throughout the generations. 

George - have you checked Queenstown to Boston ship passenger lists?

John

Georges

Bon jour :)

Michael and Catherine had the folowing chilfdren it seems from the civil records 

Mary 1869, Bridget 1871, Ellen 1873, Margaret 1876, Martin 1879 and Michael 1884

Some are listed in Castlefrench and most in Cornananata Mor (google that and you will see where it is - alternately click the places.galwaylibrary link I sent and scroll down for maps of the area The 1838 Ordinance Survey map shows the turlough) 

They will be available on civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie 

Use the civil regristration district of Mountbellew and search for the names above using those years You will get an image of the original regristration book Michael in 1884 is spelled 'Connelly' but that is only a variant - still same family

They are living near their Kenny family in 1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Castle_Ffrench/…

The Kenny link that I sent earlier are yours - in Irish families the names were handed down so whil you are think of Lawrence b 1818 the census is probably of his son b 1833 and brother to Catherine most likely

Martin

John

I just started a family history project today with a school not too far from there Your words boosted me as its nice to hear how something similar can have such a wonderful effect 

I am going to be working with a school in Dunmore soon though we only work on local history of the student's townland. However I keep giving as homework 'ask your family, talk to your grandparents' Many respond and hopefully they will have as enriching an experience as you have 

Go raibg mile maith agat

Martin

Bonsoir,

You two gentlemen are very knowlegable, helpful and passionate. I think I need to clarify further what I have been doing. My wife's ancestors are John Kenny and Margaret Mullins, not Catherine Kenny and Michael Connally. John emigrated first to England, near Manchester, married there and had seven children in England. The family emigrated to Massachussetts in 1893. None of the documents that I could see indicated where in Ireland the family came from, not even the county. The only bit of information I have is the names of John's parents, Laurence Kenny and Bridget Cahill.

I have therfore looked wherever I could for individuals that had parents with the same names, in the same time period and came up with the list that you see in my previous message. Analysing each of the potential siblings found in that way, the only further clue that I could come up with is the marriage of Catherine Kenny with Michael Connelly, in Killeroran, and the difficulty of interpreting Lough Village brought me to this forum. I was hoping to find traces of the family, such as other birth records, or census data showing  the parents with some of the children names I had collected. All I find so far is a couple of instances of Laurence Kenny, and this wedding of Catherine.Either the records are quite fragmentary, or Killeroran is not the right place.

I have looked at passenger lists, hoping to find siblings traveling together, but so far no such luck, and the records I was looking at do nto show the town of origin of the passengers, just that they were from Ireland. I think I need a break.

I forgot to mention one observation I did make in the English records. I found that a Bernard O'Connell, born in Ireland in 1842, was agricultural laborer in Eccles in1861, and John Kenny, born in Ireland in 1843 was a farm laborer in Salford when he married in 1863. Eccles and Salford are adjacent, and Bernard Kenny, son of John married Katherine Connell, daughter of a Bernard O'Connel. The same Bernard O'Connell? Interesting but speculative and still does not take me to Ireland!

About five years since my first posting on the subject. Having reviewed all my records on the Lawrence Kenny / Bridget Cahill family, this is what I come up to. The location of the Lough and Lough Village is indeed that mentionned by John O'Connor's mother, south or Cornadrum, towards Castleffrench. I would like to know if my theory of mini moves due to the changing water levels is sound. Here is an excerpt from my blog, and a map from the Griffith valuation in attachment.

• 1831 Birth of the first child Anna: Kornadrum
• 1834 Tithe Applotment Books: Cousane, alias Loughrawn
• 1851 Copy of census record of 6th child, Catherine, 4 year old: Cornadrum
• 1855 Griffith Valuation: lot 2 of Cornananta More
• 1868 Mariage of Catherine, she and her parents live in Lough Village.
• 1873 Death of Lawrence in Cornananta More and of Bridget in Gortacoosaun

I believe that all these terms refer to the same place. The map of the Griffith Valuation shows clearly lot 2 of Cornananta More, a lot still in the hands of the family. A short distance away is a Turlough that must be at the origin of the name Lough Village and Loughrawn. Cornadrum also appears on the map, north of the turlough, If Cousane is another variation of Gortacoosaun, we find that townland a little further north on the same map. The thurlough, or lough, being a pond situated over chalky soil that can at times completely drain the water, the family could have slightly moved its place of residence to take advantage of either the water, or the dry land.