BARRY family from Islandanny, Duagh.

Pam:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Anytime I see an Irish immigrant with a brith date of March 17th or December 25th, I get suspicious. Maurice was baptized on February 3rd 1881 so he was likely born a few days before February 3rd. i could not locate a civil birth record. He had at least two siblings John in 1875 and Joseph in 1884. I did not find the parents in the 1901 census but I did find a record where a 20 year old Maurice Barry and a 17 year old Joseph Barry were farm servants for a Thomas O'Connor in Shronebeirne townland in Duagh civil parish. (see below)

Was the Maurice/Ellen marriage in NYC or Ireland?

Here is a link to the online Irish phone book  https://www.eirphonebook.ie/   Use the Residential TAB  I searched for Brodericks in Kerry and there was one reocrd in the Duagh area.

Roger McDonnell

Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - DUAGH

Baptism of MAURICE BARRY of NR on 3 February 1881

NameMAURICE BARRYDate of Birth3 February 1881 (BASED ON OTHER DATE INFORMATION)AddressNRFatherJOHN BARRYMotherCATHERINE MC CARTHY

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Kilmeany/Shronebeirn…

Hi Roger,

Thanks so much for this information!  Is Duagh big enough that there could be more than Maurice Barry with parents John Barry and Catherine McCarthy?  If not, then it has to be my family.   But gosh, how could my grandfather not know his own birthday?  Really?  …and my grandmother Ellen, his wife, didn’t know either?  Seriously?!  She was the informant for his death certificate and even his gravestone will have the wrong information for all posterity! I was also suspicious when I saw he was born on St. Patrick’s Day—how funny!  Checking the New York census, they were 28 and 27 in 1910—which would coincide with the baptism date.  In each census, they lost more time and became younger.  By the time they died they were about 8 or 9 years younger!  (Both death certificates list 1889 as the birthdate.)  I don’t know whether they married in Ireland or in New York.  It looks like they arrived in 1904 (roughly) and possibly married that year as well.  The first child was born in 1909—so the marriage would have been in the years just prior.  Ellen's death certificate lists her parents Patrick Broderick and Nora Kelly and I believe she was from Abbeyfeale (Knocknasna).  I have a letter that Ellen wrote from Knocknasa when she sailed back to Ireland to visit her 89 year old mom.   Again, thank you.  Any help is appreciated!  -- Pam

Pam:

As far as other John Barrys and Catherine McCarthys in Duagh parish-- always possible but unlikely.

Ellen's baptismal record (transcription) below.

Roger

Name:Helen BrouderDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:15-Mar-1884Address:KnocknasnaParish/District:ABBEYFEALEGender:FemaleCountyCo. Limerick
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Patrick BrouderMother:Hanora KellyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Timothy Bruder Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Hanora Brouder 

Hoep to hear from you: 

Kate Nichtern@gmail.com

I would share my Broderick history with you if you are interested.

Hi Pam,

My husband's grandfather was DanielBroderick born just over the Abbeyfeale line into Co. Kerry-Raod to Listowel taking first road to left of the small bridge.  The Broderick's owned a successful dairy farm up on a high ridge-beautfiul land with view to the Shannon. The farm had been in the family for many gaenerations back. I have a bit of the history and who the older Broderick's married. Maybe there is a relationship as there are and were so many Brderick families in and around the Abbeyfeal-Co. Kerry.  There was a cousin who married a girl named Maureen Barry whose family was from Sligo.

Barry/Broderick

Roger, Thank you for the information about Ellen Broderick's baptismal record.  I have not seen the spelling Brouder before, do you think it could be Ellen Broderick?  How do the spelling variations work?  I have also seen Broder, but thought that maybe they had just run out of room on the form.  I'm guessing there's more to it...could you enlighten me?  Thanks for your help!  -- Pam Barry

Hi Kate, My grandmother Ellen Broderick had a brother Daniel who was born around 1891 (he was 10 in the 1901 census.)   Ellen does not show up in that census, but she may have already been out of the house.  (Their parents were Nora Kelly and Patrick John Broderick.)  Could that be the same Daniel that is your husband's grandfather?  I would love to hear any history you could share (I emailed you).  Thanks! -- Pam Barry  

Maurice Barry- Searching for Birth Certificate

Hi Roger,

I located a possible match for my grandfather’s birth in the civil records (see attached).  It matches up pretty well with the date of the baptism you found.  (Birth 7 weeks before the baptism.)

Record #218    

Date/Place of Birth:  14 December 1880, Camas  

Name:  Maurice

Father/Dwelling Place:  John Barry, Camas

Mother/Maiden Name:  Catherine Barry, Slatterry

Registered January 1881

 However, I’m not sure it’s him, because it says Camas instead of (Islandanny) Duagh and the mother’s maiden name is listed as Slatterry.  (Could Slattery be a place, instead of her name?)    Any ideas?

Again, thank you so much for your help. 

Pam Barry

P.S. With the baptismal info you supplied, I successfully located the birth record for my grandmother (Ellen Broderick 13 March 1884 – 4 April 1950).  Thank you!

Pam:

Spelling of surnames was not an exact science in the 19th century compared to our world so I think Brouder/Boder and Broderick are all the same. I don't think the 1881 record you found is for your family. Slattery is the maiden name.

Roger

Pam,

I hadn't checked the message board here for a while. But your message interests me. I think I can give you some extra information. John Barry and Catherine McCarthy had three children baptised in Duagh parish. These are:

John Barry: 29 Apr 1875 (baptised 9 May 1875) (sponsors: Jeremiah McCarthy & Honoria Sullivan)

Maurice Barry: 27 Jan 1881 (baptised 3 Feb 1881) (sponsors: Pat Doody & Elizabeth Stack)

Joseph Barry: 23 May 1884 (baptised 1 Jun 1884) (sponsors: David Barry & Ellen Lynch)

Maurice is evidently your grandfather. I can supply you with an image of the church record if you wish.

There was also a Margaret Barry who was born in about 1889. I have never been able to find her baptismal record - either church or civil. But I do have the record of her marriage: she married Daniel Brosnan in 1917. The marriage record indicates that her parents were the aforementioned John Barry and Catherine McCarthy.

What was really unusual about this couple is that they didn't get married until 1900 by which time your grandfather was nineteen. They were ahead of their time - having the children first and then marrying later. Quite modern!

In the 1901 census Catherine and her daughter Margaret are in house 4 in Pilgrimhill (Kilmeany, Kerry). Catherine's husband John was not at home but a visitor at house 6 in Pilgrimhill (Kilmeany, Kerry) which was Walsh's.

Pilgrim Hill is one of the six townlands that constitute Islandanny. I, myself, am from Islandanny and am familiar with the area that the Barrys lived. All the Barrys are gone from Islandanny now. When I was a kid Sean Barry was still alive. I don't remember him but people always spoke of him as a semi-legendary character. He was a great story-teller and very talented musically. He would have been a nephew of your grand-father.

I can probably fill you in on Broderick information also since they come from more or less the same area.

If you wish to contact me directly please do so by emailing tompius@eircom.net

All the best

Tom

Hi Pam,

I came across your message in this forum completely accidentally.   The uncle Paddy and Aunty Nonie that you mention in your original post were my grandparents.  Nora Broderick married to Patrick Nash and who resided in Knocknasna, Abbeyfeale,  in the house I grew up in.   I believe your grandmother would have been born in this house.  I know some distant cousins have done a lot of research on our family tree.  If I can help with anything let me know.  You can email me at patricianash80@gmail.com.

Trish