Hello,
Are there any Butler descendants here, who have roots in or near Ballybeigh?
There is a Catherine (Kitty) Phelan and John Butler who were having children around the 1820's and 1830's. I may (or may not!) be related to them. They had a son Patrick b 1829. My ancestor Patrick Butler gave a birth date of 1834, but also had parents John Butler and Catherine Whelan (are Whelan and Phelan interchangeable???).
So the birth date isn't a match - but then again my ancestor married a girl here in Australia who was only 17 in 1864 so perhaps he modified his age somewhat....!
Finally - there is a convict Patrick Butler who was born Kilkenny in about 1830 and was sent to Tasmania after sheep stealing in 1848 (ship arrived in Tasmania August 1849). He may be the Ballybeigh Patrick Butler or may not be. Does anyone know if there are sources for Kilkenny court records? Newspapers have come up blank.
Long shot but worth an ask!
Sally - Melbourne, Australia.
Sally2154
Wednesday 19th Apr 2023, 02:58AMMessage Board Replies
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Sally,
I have Phelans and Whelans in my family. Phelan and Whelan are the same name--I've found records for the same family using these two names. In the Irish language, Phelan and Whelan translate into O'Faolain.
Patricia
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6683-CT98 Baptism of Thomas Butler 28/8/1814, son of John Butler and Catherine Phelan
Eileen
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-GMSH-ZP?i=10&cc=180488… Tax assessment for John Butler of Tullaroan, Ballybeagh, County Kilkenny 1833
Eileen
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Thank you Patricia - it is good to know how interchangeable those names are! One less obstacle to linking my family to the Butlers in Ballybeigh! :-)
Sally2154
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Eileen - I hadn't seen the Tax Assessment before. Thank you for the lead! Much appreciated :-)
Sally2154
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Hello Sally,
My name is James Butler from Freshford, County Kilkenny.
I am in the process of researching all Butler families in the parish of Freshford. There are many!
Do you use Ancestry.com? If so, what is your profile URL and/or username and I'll contact you again from with the website.
Thank you.
James Butler
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Thanks for reaching out on Ancestry, James. I always forget to come back and check this site!
Sally
Sally2154
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Church Marriage Record for: John Butler and Catherine Phealan
Date of Marriage: 07-Nov-1813
Parish / District: FRESHFORD County: Co. Kilkenny
Husband Wife
Name: John Butler Catherine Phealan
Address: Not RecordedMicrofilm 05015 / 03 | Page 18
Freshford; County of Kilkenny; Diocese of Ossory. Marriages, Feb. 1813 to Feb. 1814https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000635338_018
Church Baptisms to John Butler (plus variants) & Catherine Phelan
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Butler Thomas 1814 Co. Tipperary
Butler Bridget 1820 Co. Kilkenny
Butler Laurence 1822 Co. Kilkenny
Butler Martin 1825 Co. Kilkenny
Butler Patrick 1829 Co. Kilkenny
Butler Michael 1831 Co. Kilkenny
Butler Catherine 1834 Co. Kilkenny
Butler Mary 1838 Co. KilkennyNote the first child is born in Ballingarry, Tipperary.
There are lots of BUTLERS in this part of Kilkenny but this family is the only one that comes up in a search with these parents' s names.
With the exception of the first child baptised in Commons, Ballingarry (just over the county border) the rest are born in Ballybeagh.
There is a John PHELAN in Ballybeagh in 1849 (Griffith's Valuation), possibly related to Catherine. And there are 5 different BUTLER households in various townlands in the civil parish of Tullaroan and 2 other PHELANs that would be worth researching further. Use the names of the sponsors on the children's baptisms as further clues as there are a few more BUTLERs appearing there.
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/crannagh/tullaroan/ballybeagh/ballybe…
Dale Fogarty
dfgrty
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i have my wifes tree on Ancestry Butler / Phelan Tullaroan
johnfheaden
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Thank you so much Dale for your comprehensive reply! Apologies for the delay in acknowledgement. Occasionally i am not notified of updates to my posts on here and I forget to keep checking. Thanks so much for the info - much confirms what I had already searched out. I am indeed currently researching the other Phelan and Butler families in the area to see if I can find some connections there. It's slow work though - records are patchy at best for the time period.
Also thanks for reaching out John - I will try and message you if I can work out how to!
Thanks!!
Sally
Sally2154
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Hi @johnfheaden - John I can't figure out how to message you on this platform. What is your Ancestry user ID - and is your wife's tree public? If so I'll look it up! Otherwise - I'd love to make contact. Email me at sskeam@outlook.com.au :-)
Thank you!
Sally2154