Walsh of Kilmaine

Hi ml

There is a baptism record of John Walsh 22 July 1789 on www.rootsireland.ie/ (a subscription site)

Parish is KILLALA Mayo C of I; parents John & Esther Walsh

There is a baptism record of Patrick Walsh 23 Jan 1827 parents John Walsh & Catherine Hannigan 

Kilmoremoy Ballina R C & another for Michael same parents and parish 11 Sep 1829

There is a marriage record of John Walsh & Mary Hanly Kilcolman R C parish 16 Jan 1836 which is quite late for him to start having children and well after the dates you have.

The Tithe Applotments (free online) have 59 John Walshes in Mayo in 1827 - 1842

(titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/)

Col

Kilmaine is in Kilmainemore civil parish in southern Co. Mayo not far from Ballinrobe. I looked at the John Walshs in the Tithes that Col mentioned and none of them are in Kilmainemore parish. The Tithes for Kilmainemore is for 1836 and it is possible that John was deceased or did not lease enough land to be captured in the Tithes. There were two Thomas Walsh entries and a William Burke Walsh listed for Kilmainemore. www.titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie

The 1856 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing has almost 40 Walsh entries.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/kilmainemore.htm

Roger McDonnell

I'm inclined to believe the 22 Jul 1789 baptism for John is likely the right person. I also think your info re: Mary Hanley may confirm that she is not correctly identified as mother to Patrick and Michael and instead may be married to possibly another brother (or cousin) named John, although her name appears as mother on Michael's death cert. (I've come to think there may have been a few related families all naming sons using the same forenames about he same time period, but then it's hard to explain why her name is on the death cert..) I've been scanning through Griffiths and have also looked at the Down Survey and Tithe books. I agree the family may have been in another parish/town near Kilmaine or even into Galway. 

I'll write more tomorrow.. I can provide quite a bit more details, but I want to check a few things first. All my Walshes mentioned immigrated before 1860 except perhaps John's wife who may have died in Ireland before they immigrated. I really appreciate your prompt replies and research.~ Maria (ML)

Allow me to explain a little more in depth. My g-g-gf was named Patrick Walsh. He was born in May 1830. His parents were Patrick Walsh (b. abt. 1806) and Margaret Fitzsimons (b. abt 1805--the closest I can find for her possible baptism is Westmeath..?). I know these names and dates are fairly certain as I have quite a bit of US documentation, including censuses, NYC death certificates and the younger Patrick's US military records, but no specific locations were on any documents, just (frustratingly) Ireland, You may be interested to know Patrick (1830) served during the American Civil War in the famed "Fighting 69th", Corcoran's Irish Legion of the Irish Brigade. His NYC death certificate is clear about his parents names. In addition, all the dates are consistent for all across their documents. I checked on rootsireland.ie and see an entry in Galway -- I'm wondering if perhaps this was him since it's close by? [Since they changed the site to subscription, I'm trying to collect as many entries as possible and then subscribe for a month to have full access--I have four immigrant families from Ireland I'm trying to document.. so far, I have docs identified for about half the people.]

My reason for focusing on Mayo and the Kilmaine area in particular is as follows:

I and others in my family recently did Ancestry DNA testing. Apparently, another family (in Ohio & Penn.) also tested and a 95%+ reliability link was repeatedly identified in the generation of Patrick's father which would be John). The Ohio Walsh family have records including local death certificates, censuses and tombstones confirming Michael as born 15 Sept 1825 and his father John born abt. 1788. This date for Michael seems close enough to the one you found to be accurate, making the mother Catherine Hannigan. The Ohio records mostly give Kilmaine as the location of origin, although some state Galway (maybe because it would have been the closest well-known place). In addition another cousin, also descended from Michael, had contacted yet another relation several years ago, an elderly man who has since died, who had family records (which his relatives still have) and confirmed this area of Mayo near Galway city as the family place of origin. He also seemed to think there was a Bartley link as he claimed that as John's middle name. Incidentally, I have come across a Michael Walsh from this area of Mayo who was in England, at least for a while. Also, there was another younger Patrick who went to Ohio, possibly a match to the Patrick baptism you found.

So far as death dates etc., all of these people, except possibly Patrick (1806) and Michael's mother, immigrated to the US. Patrick (1806) had to have married Margaret prior to the birth of his children. Patrick (1830) and an older brother John, born abt 1828; so the marriage most likely occurred just prior. NARA (US National Archives) has assured me that a passenger list I find almost unreadable is in fact the record for Patrick and Margaret's immigration with their 2 sons, making their arrival in NYC on 29 Jul 1834, although I could easily be convinced otherwise. Michael and his father John with other relations seem to have immigrated later (1850+/-) --but the 1851 passenger record the Ohio branch has doesn't seem quite right to me (I'll look into this further). However, John, Michael and others are definitely recorded in US Censuses after this and died and are buried in Ohio (we have conclusive records for all). Similarly, for Patrick (1806), Margaret and Patrick (1830), I have conclusive records showing them living in NYC, their deaths and burials. Fortunately, Patrick (1830) by virtue of his documented Civil War service and the fact he lived most of his life in a small distinct section of NYC (Staten Island) is unmistakable. 

In conclusion, I thank both of you for your prompt replies and research. I will look at the local land records more closely and also investigate if there is any range possible with the DNA, say to a brother of John as father to my Patrick (1806). My hope is to identify a christening for Patrick (1830) or records for his parents. Perhaps Margaret Fitzsimons is documented? Or her family? Any further info naturally will be much appreciated. ~ Maria (ML)

Allow me to explain a little more in depth. My g-g-gf was named Patrick Walsh. He was born in May 1830. His parents were Patrick Walsh (b. abt. 1806) and Margaret Fitzsimons (b. abt 1805--the closest I can find for her possible baptism is Westmeath..?). I know these names and dates are fairly certain as I have quite a bit of US documentation, including censuses, NYC death certificates and the younger Patrick's US military records, but no specific locations were on any documents, just (frustratingly) Ireland, You may be interested to know Patrick (1830) served during the American Civil War in the famed "Fighting 69th", Corcoran's Irish Legion of the Irish Brigade. His NYC death certificate is clear about his parents names. In addition, all the dates are consistent for all across their documents. I checked on rootsireland.ie and see an entry in Galway for 1806-- I'm wondering if perhaps this was his father, Patrick, since it's close by? [Since they changed the site to subscription, I'm trying to collect as many entries as possible and then subscribe for a month to have full access--I have four immigrant families from Ireland I'm trying to document.. so far, I have docs identified for about half the people.]

My reason for focusing on Mayo and the Kilmaine area in particular is as follows:

I and others in my family recently did Ancestry DNA testing. Apparently, another family (in Ohio & Penn.) also tested and a 95%+ reliability link was repeatedly identified in the generation of Patrick(1806)'s father which would be John. The Ohio Walsh family have records including local death certificates, censuses and tombstones confirming Michael as born 15 Sept 1825 and his father John born abt. 1788. This date for Michael seems close enough to the one you found to be accurate, making the mother Catherine Hannigan. The Ohio records mostly give Kilmaine as the location of origin, although some state Galway (maybe because it would have been the closest well-known place). In addition another cousin, also descended from Michael, had contacted yet another relation several years ago, an elderly man who has since died, who had family records (which his relatives still have) and confirmed this area of Mayo near Galway city as the family place of origin. He also seemed to think there was a Bartley link as he claimed that as John's middle name. Incidentally, I have come across a Michael Walsh from this area of Mayo who was in England, at least for a while. Also, there was another younger Patrick who went to Ohio, possibly a match to the Patrick baptism you found.

So far as death dates etc., all of these people, except possibly Patrick (1806) and Michael's mother, immigrated to the US. Patrick (1806) had to have married Margaret prior to the birth of his children. Patrick (1830) and an older brother John, born abt 1828; so the marriage most likely occurred just prior. NARA (US National Archives) has assured me that a passenger list I find almost unreadable is in fact the record for Patrick and Margaret's immigration with their 2 sons, making their arrival in NYC on 29 Jul 1834, although I could easily be convinced otherwise. Michael and his father John with other relations seem to have immigrated later (1850+/-) --but the 1851 passenger record the Ohio branch has doesn't seem quite right to me (I'll look into this further). However, John, Michael and others are definitely recorded in US Censuses after this and died and are buried in Ohio (we have conclusive records for all). Similarly, for Patrick (1806), Margaret and Patrick (1830), I have conclusive records showing them living in NYC, their deaths and burials. Fortunately, Patrick (1830) by virtue of his documented Civil War service and the fact he lived most of his life in a small distinct section of NYC (Staten Island) is unmistakable. 

In conclusion, I thank both of you for your prompt replies and research. I will look at the local land records more closely and also investigate if there is any range possible with the DNA, say to a brother of John as father to my Patrick (1806). My hope is to identify a christening for Patrick (1830) or records for his parents. Perhaps Margaret Fitzsimons is documented? Or her family? Any further info naturally will be much appreciated. ~ Maria (ML)

Maria :

Kilmaine town is about 40 kilometers from Galway city.

Next summer the National Library will be providing free access online to all the Catholic parish registers. 

Good luck with your research. You have done a great job so far.

Roger 

Hi Roger,

Thank you for your interest, info and encouragement.. Yes, I read about and follow developments with the NLI--looking forward, as many are, to June and seeing what becomes available!

Merry Christmas!

Maria

Hi Roger,

Thank you for your interest, info and encouragement.. Yes, I read about and follow developments with the NLI--looking forward, as many are, to June and seeing what becomes available!

Merry Christmas!

Maria