Has anyone any info to add to the following:
My great grandfather William Monaghan is down on the 1911 Census of England and Wales at 237 High Street, Jarrow on Tyne (now Jarrow, Tyne and Wear)
William is a 67 year old widower living on his own in a one room tenement (what we now class as a bedsit) at the address.
He has his place of birthplace as Davnet, County Monaghan, Ireland.
I take that to mean Tydavnet, County Monaghan, Ireland.
In the late 1860s to late 1870s William was known to be living in North America working as a cabbie (horse drawn cab) in New York, then for Thomas Edison at Menlo Park in the mid 1870s.
William arrived in Jarrow on Tyne to live with a friend Patrick Casey in the late 1870s.
He married Patrick Casey’s youngest daughter Catherine Casey in Jarrow in January 1881.
William’s father is down as William Monaghan a farmer (not present at the wedding whose wife is thought to be a Mary?)
Catherines father is down as Patrick Casey a labourer (he was present at the wedding)
William and Catherine Monaghan (nee Casey) are on the 1881 census living in Jarrow with Catherine’s father Patrick Casey and her older brother John Casey.
Patrick Casey’s wife Margaret Casey (nee Traynor) was not with them at the time of the 1881 Census.
Catherine Monaghan (nee Casey) died early 1903 in Willington Quay, Northumberland (just across the river Tyne from Jarrow)
Her older brother John Casey went on to become a town councillor and Alderman of Jarrow.
John is on the 1901 census in Jarrow aged 43 born County Monaghan Ireland, and he has two of his cousins lodging with him, Edward Trainor aged 26 and Patrick Trainor aged 23 both born County Monaghan Ireland
On the 1911 census John Casey aged 53 is living at 12 Grey Street, Jarrow with his wife.
And his birthplace is down as Killybough. Parish Tydavnet, County Monaghan
On the Griffiths Evaluation of Tenements in the Parish of Tedavnet (I have just found this on this site)
In the Township of Killybough there is a Patrick Casey (which surely is the same one as above) and next to him a William Monaghan (which surely is the same one or his father above?)
My regards from Curlew of Jarrow
Thursday 24th Oct 2013, 03:09AM
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Killybough consists of 89 acres of agricultural land. In Griffiths there were only 7 farms in 1860, so it does seem almost certain these are your families. Both names had disappeared by 1901 and there were only 2 farms there then:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Killylough/Killybough/
In the tithe applotment records, for 1826, there was only one farm in the townland, held by someone named Mitchell. So it looks as though your two families arrived in Killybough sometime between then and 1860.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?…
Possible death for William Monaghan registered in Monaghan town, Jan ? Mar 1886 Vol 3, page 222. Est year of birth 1806.
You can order a photocopy from GRO Roscommon for ?4 per certificate. Put the place, year, quarter (where there is one), volume & page number on the application form (anywhere). http://www.groireland.ie/ You have to post or fax the form to them but they will e-mail the copy certificate to you if you wish. Tick the relevant box on the form.
Ahoghill Antrim
Thursday 24th Oct 2013, 08:47AM -
Thank you AA for the quick reply
Yes most probable that was William Monaghans (born 1845) father William Monaghan who died in Monaghan town in 1886 (will send off for the cert)
My regards to you from Curlew of Jarrow
Thursday 24th Oct 2013, 05:44PM -
hi,
There are a lot of TRAYNORs, TRAINORs, TRAINERs, TREANORs etc. living in that Electoral District of Killylough in 1901.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=19…
My g-g-grandmother was a Rose TREANOR, I am guessing b.1840s - as the first child was born in 1869.
She married Owen McGUIRK of Annagally, Killylough so I would imagine she was from somewhere close, there were TREANORs in Annagally in 1901, and I don't think people looked too far away for spouses in those days. This is probably her brother James, but can't be sure..
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Killylough/An…
There are some old graveyard records at the following website that might have some information for you.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/index.htmTedavnet has an Old and a New Graveyard.
If you have a local LDS Centre, you can trace the change of tenancy from Griffiths 1858 up until the 1930s, you would then see who inherited/took over the land through the generations.
Regards,
SEAN
sean99
Friday 25th Oct 2013, 09:03AM -
Cheers Sean
My Great grandmother Catherine Monaghan (nee Casey) brother John Casey is on the England and Wales 1901 census in Jarrow with his cousins the Traynors (the name is spelt Trainor – but that could simply be due to the enumerator who took the census)
Here are the details:
1901 Census England and Wales.
Jarrow, County Durham.
West Jarrow Ward
Jarrow Grange Christ Church Parish
137 Western Road
John Casey (head of household) aged 43 Joint worker born Monaghan, Ireland
Ann Casey wife age 39 born Sunderland, County Durham
Edward Trainor cousin age 26 Coal Merchant born Monaghan, Ireland
Patrick Trainor cousin age 23 Metal Foundry Joint worker born Monaghan, Ireland
My regards to you from Curlew of Jarrow
Friday 25th Oct 2013, 12:58PM -
Looking back at what you said AA eg.
'In the tithe applotment records, for 1826, there was only one farm in the townland, held by someone named Mitchell. So it looks as though your two families arrived in Killybough sometime between then and 1860'
I notice on the Griffith's evaluation (1847-1864)
Patrick Casey and William Monaghan have next to them an Immediate Lessor (I take lessor to mean leasor or owner or landlord of the property)
The Lessor is a Henry Mitchell (that must be the same Mitchele on the tithe applotment record of 1826)
Henry Mitchell has a fair proportion of lessored (lessor) properties in Tedavnet on the Griffith's evaluation (1847 - 1864)
Going by the times Henry Mitchell would of most probably an Englishman or Scotsman who took over possesion of Patrick Casey and William Monaghans land and leased/lessored/rented it back to them and others
Some word that innit lessor - lessored - lessoring - landlessored - pennilessored -
My regards
Curlew of Jarrow
Saturday 26th Oct 2013, 02:52PM -
Jarrow Tyne & Wear England (at one time known as 'Little Ireland')
Here is a list of Ulster Irish families in Jarrow on the England and Wales 1911 census
Most had been in Jarrow since the 1880s
I will start with County Monaghan:AGNEW
ARMSTRONG
BARRETT
BRINNAN
BROWNLEE
BURNS
CARSON
CARVILLE
CASEY
CASSIDY
CLINTON
CONNELBY
CONNELLY
COX
CUMMISKEY
DALEY
DEVLIN
DUFFY
FAY
FEGAN
FLYNN
GILLESPIE
GREENAN
GREENER
HACKETT
HALLIDAY
HAMILTON
HANLON
HERBERT
HOGAN
HOWET
KANE
KEARNEY
KELLY
KENNEDY
LAMB
LARKIN
LEONARD
LINDSAY
LONE
LYNCH
MALLEN
MAGUIRE
MARTIN
MARKEY
MCALLISTER
MCANESLTY
MCARDLE
MCBALL
MCCABE
MCCAFFREY
MCCORMELLA
MCCONNEL
MCCOURT
MCCOY
MCELARNEY
MCENANEY
MCGONNALL
MCGOUGH
MCGUINESS
MCKENNA
MCKIE
MCLEAR
MCMAHON
MCQUADE
MONAGHAN
MOORE
MURPHY
MURRAY
NESBETT
QUINN
RANNIGAN
REYNOLDS
RICE
RIDDEL
ROGAN
ROBINSON
SHERREY
SINCLAIR
SMITH
STEWART
TIERNEY
TAYNOR
TODD
TRAINERS
TREANOR
WILSON
ZEEDHAMNext County Armagh:
BLACK
BLACKETT
BOYCE
BREW
BURNS
CAIRNS
CALLAGHAN
CARR
COGANS
CONNELLY
CORDNER
COURTNEY
CROGAN
CROSS
CUNNINGHAM
DIAMOND
DOCK
DONNELLY
DUFFY
FAGAN
FARNON
GARLAND
GORMAN
HALL
HANRATTY
HARE
HEEMAN
HILLOCK
HOUSTON
HOWARD
HUDSON
HUGHES
ISAAC
KELLEY
KELLY
KENNEDY
LIVINGSTONE
LOWRIE
MACKIN
MATHERS
MACANLAY
MCBURNIE
MCCANN
MCCONVILLE
MCCOY
MCCRANE
MCCREESH
MCCULLOCH
MCDONALD
MCGAHAN
MCGEE
MCGRATH
MCGUCKIAN
MCGUINNESS
MCHUGH
MCKNOWN
MCLAUGHTSON
MCNULTY
MCPARLIN
MCPARTLIN
MCPHARLENE
MCSANGHAM
MCTAVY
MURPHY
ONEILL
O'NEILL
MCTOMNEY
MULLEN
MURPHY
OWENS
QUIGLEY
QUINN
RICE
RILEY
ROGERS
ROWAN
STROME
SULLIVAN
TELFER
THOMPSON
WALLACE
WARDNext County Down:
ADAIR
ALLISON
ANDREWS
ARMOUR
BELLAS
BOAL
BROOKS
BROWN
CAMPBELL
CARTY
CLARK
CONNOR
CORNISH
CORR
COYNE
CRANE
CRAWLEY
CUSACK
DEANS
DORMAN
DORAN
DORRIAN
DUNBAR
EDMONDS
ELLIS
FARRIES
FEGAN
FITZPATRICK
FOSTER
FOTTON
GALEY
GARVEY
GEE
GILLESPIE
GIBBONS
GILMORE
GRAHAM
GRAY
GREAVES
GREEN
HACKSTON
HANLON
HANTON
HARE
HASSAN
HAYES
HEEMAN
HEENAN
HULSTON
HUTCHINSON
ISAAC
JENKIN
JONES
KANE
KEEDY
KEENON
KILLBE
LAW
LEWIS
LINDSAY
LIVINGSTON
LONGSTAFF
LONGHRAN
LYNN
LYONS
MADINE
MAGEE
MAKER
MCALINDON
MCAULEY
MCBRIER
MCBULLAGH
MCCONNELL
MCGEE
MCKEY
MCKIE
MCKIVITT
MCMULLEN
MCNOWN
MCPHERSON
MCQUILLAN
MCWILLIAMS
MELLS
MIDDLETON
MOORE
MORLAND
MORROW
MULLIGAN
MURPHY
OHARE
OHURE
O'NEILL
OWENS
PULLEN
QUIN
RAMSEY
ROONEY
RUDDICK
SMYTH
STEELE
STEWART
TOMLINSON
TONER
TOTTON
TRAYNOR
TUMELTY
WALLACE
WALSH
WHITTEN
WILKS
WILLIAMS
WHITE
WILSON
WOODSNext County Fermanagh:
BUSHELL
CALLAGHAN
COCKBURN
CORR
CUMMISKEY
GREENER
MAGEE
MARTIN
MCCORMACK
MCDONALD
MCNULTY
MOORE
QUINN
ROONEY
WILSONAnd finally County Tyrone:
BLAIR
BLAKE
CARR
COLLIGHAN
COLLINS
COOTE
CORR
CORRIGAN
COSKERY
COYLE
CROGAN
DAVIDSON
DAVISON
DEVLIN
DONNELLY
DONATHY
DONOHUE
DOUGAL
DOYLE
FARSON
FERGUSON
FINNEGAN
FLOR
FOX
FURY
GILMORE
GOODMAN
GRAHAM
GREEN
HALL
HAMILL
HAMILTON
HARRUP
HEENAN
HOLLAND
HUGHES
IRVIN
IRWIN
JENKINSON
JONES
KELLY
KENNEDY
KERR
KEYS
LITHGOW
LOGUE
LYNN
MALLAN
MALONE
MARTIN
MATHERS
MCALEER
MCELHATTON
MCCORMACK
MCCOURT
MCRENNE
MCDONALD
MCGARRIGLE
MCGAUGHY
MCGINN
MCGUCKIN
MCINTYRE
MCKENNA
MCLAREN
MCMANUS
MCMANEMY
MCNALLY
MCVEY
MONAGHAN
MONTGOMERY
MOORE
MORGAN
MULLEN
MURRAY
NICHOLSON
QUARK
QUINN
RODGERS
ROFFERTY
ROBINSON
RUSSEL
SHORT
SLEVIN
STAFFORD
STEWART
TAGGART
TAYNOR
THOMPSON
TWEEDIE
WATERS
WILSONSaturday 26th Oct 2013, 03:15PM