Fitzgerald & Talbot

Linda:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

It is not clear whether your ancestors were RC or Church of Ireland. The RC baptismal records for Cloneen/Drangan parish start in 1811 http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0257  and the Templemore RC baptismal records start in 1807  http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0258

You mention finding an 1803 baptismal record for Frederick. What parish had the record?

Roger McDonnell

All my Irish ancestors were Church of Ireland, which has made researching them much more difficult.

Frederick was baptised at Templemore, Tipperary

Hello Linda and Roger,

Linda I believe we are related :) 

-My family includes the same Frederick Fitzgerald (born April 24, 1803) who was the son of Edward Fitzgerald and Margaret (Talbot) Fitzgerald of Templemore, Tipperary, Ireland.

-Frederick and his wife Ann (Colbert) Fitzgerald's daughter Margaret Fitzgerald married my great, great Grandfather, John Pratt Campbell.

-John Pratt  Campbell and Margaret (Fitzgerald) Campbell's second son, James Campbell, was the father of my Grandfather, Kingsley Rae Campbell.

-Kingsley Rae (not Ray) Campbell married Minna Kriewald and gave birth to only one child, my Father, Duane Beverley Campbell.  Sadly, my Father Duane passed away in February of 2015.

I am new to the geneological search so do not yet fully understand the connection bettween my family and Edward Talbot and Mary Ann Ely as I thought they had settled in Essex, New York.

I would be very happy to see a reply from you soon!

Many thanks for all your info,

Morgan

As far as I know Edward Talbot and Mary Ann Ely (his first wife) were the parents of the Margaret, Richard Steele, and John Ely. Their daughter Margaret Talbot who married Edward Fitzgerald had children   Ann, George, Esther, William, Johm, Frederick and Sarah. Margaret and her brother, Richard Steele, both immigrate to Canada via New York. Their father, Edward and his second wife, Jane Potts, stayed in New York. 

Edward Talbot's second family with Jane Potts, all stayed in the USA. Mary Ann, his first wife, must have died before 1776, when he married Potts. 

I hope this makes sense. 

Cheers, Linda

Hello Linda,

Thanks very much for posting this reply!  I now see where this fits together.  One of my relatives, Alan Campbell, past President of the Ontario Genealogical Society has a great deal of information about the Campbell and Fitzgerald family - plu so much more.

I have not yet contacted Alan but see he's on LinkedIn and have his email address (he writes to my mum) so I'll forward any I find out about the Fitzgerald/Talbot connection.

I hope you didn't get too much snow on Tuesday - we had a lot on the North Shore but just for a short time.

Merry Christmas!

Morgan

I am the great grandaughter 6th disposed of Ann Fitzgerald Howard, daughter of Edward Fitzgerald and Margaret Talbot. I am doing the reseach for another family genealogy book.  I have some evidence from writings of these families--some from Canada relatives and of some who migrated to US.  This is the first time I have heard of Edward Talbot and Mary Ely.  There is some information in books written. F.T. Rosser wrote the "London Township Pioneers,"  There is also extensive military records of Edward Fitzgerald in the Canadian and UK archives.

Although I have no proof, a familiy genealogist had written Margaret was daughter of Thomas Talbot, then has attempted to link her to Earl of Shrewsbury. This is not as far as I have read, the Thomas Talbot who settled London Township, Canada.  Another book states Edward Fitzgerald's wife is of English royalty.

Now I am very preplexed..I really appreciate the information of any birth records if you have them to verify Margarets parents; as well as Edwards. Although I have not viewed the stones, the burials are said to be at Arva, St. Johns, Middlesex County, Ontario, Canada.

Thank you,

Rita

Hi Rita

I don't know anything about a link to royalty. I suspect it may be true as all the family names of these folks were connected to British royalty but I have never seen any proof.

It is hard to find "proof" for much of these families due to the difficulty of finding Irish records thus much of my information comes from the London Township books, other family genealogist, Bruce Elliot's book "Irish Migrants in Canada, and a mix of other sources.

I do have marriage secondary proof for Edward Talbot and Mary Ann Ely in the "Diocesan & Perogative Marriage License Bonds," database, The National Archives of Ireland (www.nationalarchives.ie: accessed 23 September 2016)," offers: Killaloe Talbot Edwd 1769 Ely Ann and some other information on Edward Talbot in the "H.P. Smith, Editor, The History of Essex (Syracuse, New York, United States: D. Mason & Co. Publishers, 1885), 633-634." offers: "Edward Talbot settled in the town about the year 1811, near the site of Olmsteadville. He was farmer and, like many other early settlers, kept a tavern in early years. The mills at Olmsteadville, after passing through the hands of Mr. White, were bought by Mr. Talbot. He subsequently sold them to T. S. Barnes who rebuilt them about 1840, in their present form. Charles and Edward Talbot, now living in the town, are sons of Edward, and there are many other descendants living in the vicinity. The latter kept about the first store also and was a prominent man in the community." My understanding is Edward Talbot married a Jane Potts after the death of Mary Ann Ely and when he immigrated to the USA, some of his older children went to Canada while he stayed in the US with his second family. 

I am a 3x great-granddaughter of Samuel and Ann (Fitzgerald) Howard through William Henry -> Samuel Edward -> Walter Ray. My mother was a Howard. This Howard branch ended up in Alberta. I have met with Dr. Harold Lang who, along with his family, have done considerable research on these families, including research trips to Ireland. 

I realize this probably already known by you, but if not, I hope it helps some. I would be interested in learning more about the family history you are writing. I own the London Township, Vol 1 &2, plus Bruce Elliot's book if you need any lookups.

Cheers, Linda

Hi Linda, Morgan, Roger,

I appreciate your correspondence and would love to get to the final edition of the family heritage!!....I have Elliotts book, "Irish Migrants in the Canadas" (1988) and Rossers 1976 edition of "London Township Pioneers", placing Edward Fitzgerald and Margaret Talbot Fitzgerald in Canada as 1819 land owners as well as their children having arrived there with them.  Not much about Margaret's parents. There is also--online access to the "History of Middlesex County" (1889).

I do find there are some gaps in information.  There are family letters, that may be key to information also.  One Marie Smibert, a descendent, collaborated with Bruce Elliott, and Gwen Talbot Bergsma (she is mentioned in the appendix), as well as my aunt Judy McLaughlin Webb; my father's sister.  I am picking up this genealogy where she left off, and any information will be most appreciated.

In their work, family lineage puts Margaret Talbot Fitzgerald as birth date of 1770, and Edward Fitzgerald as b. 1759. There are military musters with Edwards birth, although I only have genealogist's information about Margarets. 

Reaching into the books again, Elliott discussed Richard Talbot of the 1818 settlers as being the son of the "late" Edward Talbot a gentleman of Clonloghan (just across the county border of Tipperary) and Garrane in King's County, (p.63). referenced on p. 271 #26.  Elliott traces land holdings there.

Additionally, he states Richard married Lydia Baird. It is unclear on the ship manifest for the Brunswick which sailed the Talbot party as to who was in their cabins, as there were 3 families in Talbot's cabins.  The manifest listed in these books does not state Margaret's age or last name, which led me to believe she was Richard's sister  Margaret Talbot Fitzgerald, perhaps her husband Edward Fitzgerald was already there, as---Elliott states her (possible) father, the elder Edward Talbot immigrated to US about 1808, and his grandsons have successful woolen mills in Massachusetts.(p.54)---- . 

As far as the royalty, "The Rebellion of 1837 in Upper Canada, Edited by Colon Read and Ronald J. Stagy(sp), states, "Edward Fitzgerald (1759-1841) who left Ireland and settled in london Township in 1819, becoming a farmer there.  His wife is related to Irish nobility". Our family has passed this information down, someone has traced it back to Catherine Howard Henry VIII's 2nd wife, having descended from her uncle. I can say today--it is unproven, although has made for some outstanding vacations!

What stands out today, is Thomas Talbot, who acquired the land for London Township, had relatives who migrated-- Richard and Margaret.  Thomas's mother was the last barroness of Malahide castle. It has led me to try to work that connection out.

Also I have noted in readings, Samuel and Ann Howards daughter, Margaret, is listed as a daughter of an English official living in Dublin. I will reference these in later documents if you like. There are military musters showing the male parties movement--I have yet to look at in detail.

I would appreciate any collaborative efforts and,

Your thoughts would be most appreciated, 

I am sure Mr. Alan Campell will be a world of information.  I have recently joined the Ontario Genealogical Society, and am still working through all of the records.

Rita

Hi Linda, Rita and Roger,

Thank you so much for the information you've shared on the Fitzgeralds.  

Being new to genealogy and research of this nature, I'm ensuring I have legitimate sources when adding to my Wikitree family tree.  I'm sure you already have the info I've added but please have a look at the Wikitree site - it's free which is a benefit in that one doesn't have a lifetime of monthly payments to look forward to in order to keep family tree info available to all.

I've looked at Familysearch and have found it to be a good way to locate source documents. 

I'm slowy fleshing out the members of the Fitzgerald family where I can confirm sources with confidence and hope this will be of some value to "our family" on this message board.

Cheers,

Morgan

Hi Linda:

This is my family. Edward and Margaret were my 4th great-grandparents and I have quite extensive research that begins with them. They were part of the Talbot settlement that moved to Ontario, emigrating on the ship Brunswick in 1819. Margaret's father was Thomas and she was born in Clonen Castle. And yes, they do have quite strong ties to the Howards.

You can contact me via Facebook or through my web-site lauriemackiepenningprose.ca.wordpress.com

I'll be glad to share whatever info I have.

Laurie