Anyone related to this family from the CULLEN area? Or have access to actual BDM records that may give me proof?
Launcelot GLEESON, wife, Bridget BOURKE.
Known children:
Johanna (Limerick?, Tip & Beechworth, Victoria, Australia.) Daniel (Tip) Malachi (Tip? & Providence, Rhode Island, USA.) Mark (Tip, Liverpool, Lancashire & Mt Lloyd, (near New Norfolk) Tasmania, Australia.)
Griffiths Valuation has Launcelot GLEESON in Milltown (Next to the village of Cullen.)
(Parish of Cullen, Diocese of Emly and Cashel.)
A Marcus GLEESON had land next door and in Ballinulty.
Daughter Johanna GLEESON, is given as born in Gortavalla Limerick. Circa 1834.
Launcelot's occupation is listed as "Gentleman" on Johanna's marriage certificate. She emigrated to Victoria, Australia, believed to be the Johanna GLEESON who arrived on the "Lady Kennaway" in 1853.
Married James BULLEID in Victoria in 1856. Story of "staying with an Aunty in Beechworth" prior to her marriage. Five children.
The GLEESON family were living in Tipperary by 1849, when Launcelot, his wife, and son Daniel were assaulted on the road home from the town of Tipperary. The court case was reported in the newspaper.
Son Daniel GLEESON, birth and age unknown, listed as the son in the assault reported in the newspaper report above. Gave evidence in court.
My be the Daniel GLEESON who married Bridget MORRISSY and had son Marks GLEESON in Tipperary in 1865. Marks Gleeson was listed as living in Ballinulty as one of the "Farmers & Residents" in 1881.
Son Malachi GLEESON/GLEASON born circa 1845, where, unknown. Emigrated to the USA, possibly via Canada, dates unknown.
Malachi GLEASON, was married in Providence, Rhode Island, 9 January, 1876 to Ellen McCORMICK, also born Ireland. He died there in 1877, leaving a son, Malachi Daniel and deceased infant twins.
Some dates given in available USA BDM records online do not add up. Malachi senior is given to have died on 23 April, 1877 and son Malachi is given as born to him and Ellen on 19 November, 1878.
Son Mark GLEESON/LEESON. Years of birth given, vary wildly between 1844 to 1852. When and where unknown. He is my Great Grandfather - who told a lot of fibs.
He was living in Liverpool, Lancashire in 1869 when he was reported in the newspaper as a "young policeman" and was then listed as a policeman aged 23 (=1848) from Cashel, Tipperary, Ireland, in the 1871 Liverpool Census. A Mark GLEESON is named as the Hospital Porter in an alleged assault case in later newspaper article.
Mark GLEESON Emigrated to Australia on the ship "Aconcagua", arriving in Melbourne, Victoria, in 1879. He was now listed as aged 27 (=1852) and "English".
He then must have immediately taken a coastal vessel to Tasmania, where he had received a Land Order Warrant for a small plot of land through the Emigrants & Colonists Aid Corporation. He settled at Mt Lloyd, near New Norfolk.
His surname thereafter was always given as LEESON, except in the occasional Government Gazette and always stated he was "from Lancashire" (even in his will) and hid his origins.
There may have been scandal, a possible illegitimate daughter in Liverpool. However, I can find no previous marriage that would explain why he never married Jane Emily CLARK the mother of his nine children.
He hid this fact, stating when official records demanded it, that they HAD married in "1878 in Victoria" (a year before he arrived in Australia) This statement was also, presumably, to hide the birth of Jane's unregistered illegitimate son, whom he had taken on as his own.
Their first child was baptised Protestant. Baptisms for two children have not been found. The rest were baptised as Wesleyans.
Mark himself, was buried as a Methodist (Wesleyan-Methodist).
His Obituary says "Late of Lancashire" in the 84th year of his age (=1844) His official death record states aged 75 (=1852) His Burial record states aged 82 (=1845)
Any help or suggestions gratefully received.
Willing to assist with Australian searches.
Wynnette Ford, formerly Blanchard, nee Mansfield
Formerly Tasmanian, now living in Queensland, Australia.
Wynnette
Monday 11th Aug 2014, 05:00AMMessage Board Replies
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Hi Wynette
There is a civil record & a marriage record of Daniel Gleeson to Bridget Bourke in Limerick 1867 on www.rootsireland.ie/ The site charges to view the full record which will have the parish and MAYBE the parents' names.
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=1&confirmPageView=Y
I also stumbled upon the birth records for Lancelot Gleeson: 1 in 1823 & 2 in 1885 all in Tipperary
I searched for the children of Lancelot Gleeson & Bridget Bourke and found 2 both in Limerick: Malachy 1841 & George 1844
The Tithe Applotments 1923-37 & free online have 565 Gleesons in Tipperary but no Launcelots; he must have been a gentleman as you said and had a big house in town!.
There are 2 Daniels and 2 Marks from the Cullen area
Col
ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Monday 11th Aug 2014, 07:26AM -
Dear Col, pardon my replying so very very late to your post, but family matters intervened and whin I decided to come back to this site, I found I had lost my passworkd and all correspondence. it has taken me a while to get back - as you can see...
In the intervening years, of course the digitised Catholic records have become available.
I have found some of the children, including George and Malachy that you mentioned, but no marriage nor the birth of a Launcelot in 1823 that you also noted.
Thank you for taking an interest, it was most kind of you,
Regards,
Wynnette.
Wynnette
Monday 13th Feb 2017, 11:23AM -
Welcome back, Wynette!
Well done on finding the records on nli - not an easy task!
Here are the records from my first post - it's easier to copy & paste them now:
Date of Marriage:21-Feb-1867
Parish / District:CASTLECONNELL
County:Co. Limerick
Husband Name:DanielGleeson Address:Cappamore Roman CatholicOccupation
Wife BridgetBurke Address Grange Denomination:Roman Catholic
:Age:
Status:
Husband's Father
Wife's FatherName:
Gleeson
BurkeAddress:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother
Wife's MotherName:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Name:WilliamSheehan
Witness 2 MargaretHammondMore blanks than info I'm afraid!
Name:Lancelot GleesonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:27-Aug-1823Address:LakeParish/District:NEWPORTGender:MaleCountyCo. Tipperary
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Connor GleesonMother:Penelope McCullaghOccupation:Farmer
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Thos GleesonSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary GleesonName:Lancelot GleesonDate of Birth:23-Aug-1885
Registration Date:01-Sep-1885Address:KilloscullyParish/District:NEWPORTGender:MaleCountyCo. Tipperary
Denomination:Civil Record
Father:Matthew GleesonMother:Margaret RyanOccupation:Smith
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Bridget SheilName:Malachy GleesonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Sep-1841Address:BallinultyParish/District:SOLOHEAD & OOLAGender:UnknownCountyCo. Limerick
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Lancelote GleesonMother:Bridget BourkeOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Mgt BourkeName:George GleesonDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Nov-1844Address:?Parish/District:SOLOHEAD & OOLAGender:UnknownCountyCo. Limerick
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Lancelot GleesonMother:Bridget BourkeOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:My BourkeCol
ColCaff, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Tuesday 14th Feb 2017, 04:35AM -
Dear Col, So glad to see you are still on the list. Thank you so much for re-sending that information in full. I will certainly investigate and see if I can go further. Many, many thanks, Wynnette.
Wynnette
Tuesday 14th Feb 2017, 09:20PM -
Hi, I knew Mary Gleeson she would be a relation of the people you are enquiring about. Her father was Thomas Gleeson born 1870 and mother Catherine. They had 4 children to the best of my knowledge, Ellen, Mark (Sunny), Mary and Bridget.
Sally
Monday 16th Nov 2020, 03:19PM -
Hello Sally,
Thank you so much for writing to me.
You have stumbled on (I think) my very first post, not one of the newer ones.
You have mentioned a Mary Gleeson you knew?
Beg pardon, but I am presuming here she may be deceased.
Are you in contact with any of her children?
I need someone that can say yes it is, or no it isn't their family.
I would like to ask if you do still have contact, would it be possible for you to pass on to them what I write below?
Any crumb of information, any hint of a family story would so very welcome.
I know nothing of the family in Ireland except their names and where they were living in 1851..
I can find no deaths for those left behind.
I have no knowledge of a Thomas born 1870, as i have not further information in Ireland past 1851.
Earlier this year, I posted on the Tipperary site, a much fuller email with more known facts and the children I have since found.
I got some kind replies, but something went wrong and I could not even send back a properly reply to some.
One person who wrote may have been able to help. So frustrating!
So I am still in the dark.
My Great Grandfather totally denied his origins. By the time it got to my generation, we didn't even know that the name had been changed and we were Irish, not English.
He told many fibs. The only cousins who were interested along with myself, calculated he had a birth year somwhere between 1843 and 1857 from his age given on different documents.
In 1870 in Liverpool, he is recorded as GLEESON from CASHEL.
On the boat out in 1879, he is GLEESON, and ENGLISH.
On arrival in Tasmania, Australia after paying the emigration society that helped him, their fee; he is forever after LEESON.
EXCEPT as I found, in the Government Gazettes when the land he had purchased was mentioned.
Even in his will, he was "fomerly of Lancashire".
Yet he was in regular contact with his sister Johanna in Victoria, and I found her daughter had visited Tasmania regularly.
Since I wrote first, I have found there were at least TWO GLEESON families in the Ballinulty/Milltown area, HALF A GENERATION IN TIME different - with many children of the same name, and I STILL don't know if we are somehow related.
The gentlman who gave me his GLEESON tree certainly didn't know. He is descended from the WINIFRED.
I know I'm asking a lot of you, but if you do have contact with the family still, would you have the time to ask them if any of these family names ring a bell?
If so, I would give you my email in a reply so someone in her family, could tell me what they know.
I am at a dead end. All I have is names and no facts prior to that time.
No marriage records seem to exist for that probable time.
So, I have no marriage and am missing baptisms of at least TWO known children.
The OTHER family was headed by a Mark GLEESON and Ellen BARRON who had children from 1811 to 1826, so I am told.
They had a MARY, WINIFRED, MARGARET, MALACHY, BRIDGET, JOHN,MARK and DANIEL
MY Great Grandfather LAUNCELOT/LANCELOT/LANSLOT, who I now KNOW also used MALACHY - GLEESON had children with BRIDGET BOURKE/BURKE from 'possibly' around the early- middle 1830's to 1847.
All baptised in Sologhead.
Please remember how bad the Priests' handwriting was. I am having educated guessess in some cases.
DANIEL birth unknown (DID NOT marry BRIDGET MORRISSY - I am informed that was the Daniel in the family named above.)
JOHANNA ca 1835-1920 died Wangaratta, Victoria, Australia. Married John BULLEID.
DAVID baptised 1839 - ? to Malachias & Bridgida Witness Margarita Burke
MALACHY/MALACHI baptised 1841 - 1877 died Providence, Rhode Island, USA - to Laurentii & Bridgida Witness, Margarita Burke,.Ballinulty. Married Ellen Mary Frances McCORMICK
MARY/MARIA baptised 1843 - ? Father's name illegible, mother Bridgida. Witness Jacobus(?) Cunningham & Maria(?) BURKE Ballinulty.
GEORGE baptised 1844 to Lanxelot & Brigita. Witness Margarita Burke
MARCUS (MARK my G Grandfather), baptised 1847 to Malachias and Bridgida died 1927 at Dry Creek, New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia. Married Jane CLARK/E
Witnesses: Maria Santry(?) and Formby(?) Ballinulty.
Sally, if you are able to help, fine. if you are not able to help, it is also fine.
Just the fact that you took time to write, was so nice.
Regards,
Wynnette.
Wynnette
Wednesday 18th Nov 2020, 08:28AM -
Hi Wynnette
Mary Gleeson died 25 years ago at the age of 89. She didn't have any children but I have very fond memories of her from my childhood. My parents would have more information about Mary's parents and family. We have some of Mary's old pictures and birth certificate I will look at them and pass you on the information. You can email me on my person email if you wish it's obriensal84@hotmail.com
Sally
Thursday 19th Nov 2020, 02:36PM