Samuel Brindley, Mount Island, Kilmore, Tipperary

Hi Irene,

Trust your own carefully done research over a tree put together by Ancestry's algorithms or a family tree posted on that site. If you are looking for specific research or documents, please post.

Thank you Patricia for your trust.  Yes sometimes people in Ancestry just repeat the information without checking.  But I always ask myself Did I missed something.  Sometimes I did...

But still a Samuel Brindley existed and married Susan Studdert in 1858 and had 3 children.  

Without any birth records it is difficult to sort it out.  And no census available either.  In Griffith Valuation there are John Brindley, John Brindley Esq, Samuel Brindley, Samuel Brindley esq, Richard Brindley and finally a David Brindley that Ancestry put also as a brother to the John Brindley

So my question is how you genealogist in Ireland sorted it out for people who were living in that time.  Any other documentation (website) that we can search?  How many Brindley family were living in that county back in that time.  

Thank you again for your time and informations, Patricia.  It is reallly really helpful

Irene

Hi,
The area of the house "Happy Grove" was in Dolla, Silvermines.
see the attachment........
This is Samuel's death, it looks like Catherine Tiernue ? was present at the death, meaning she found him or was there. Possible Tienue is a miss spell of her second Christian name.
The 1901 Census shows Susan at Mountisland and she was from County Clare. This links says 1911 but it is 1901 when you view it.
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911

Page 2
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003899977/

By 1911 Catherine (Kate)  and Margaret are still in Mountisland.
I looked for Susan's death, she died in 1904.

Kate and Margaret never marry and Kate's death in 1917 is attached.
There is one for a Margaret Brindley in 1944 in Rathdown, correct age but I couldn't be for sure if it is her.
There is a birth for an unnamed child in 1860, this is in Clonmore which is the same area as Happy Grove.
As they were Church of Ireland, I have noticed that they don't name a child until Christened.
So if you can't find anyone put unknown as the Christian name.  
Margot

Thank you very much Margot. 

Conclusion:

There are 2 SAMUEL BRINDLEY. Both had a John Brindley as a father.  

1.  Married Mary Bradshaw who died in 1862.  Not sure he married again. No trace of him after.

2. The second one married Susan Studdert and had 3 children.  We can trace his family after his death in 1881.  He was born or in 1810 or in 1803.  Ancestry put his birth in 1820 (I don't know based on what).  He is probably the one who was involve in the grain industry with his brother John Brindley esquire born in 1812.

Thank you Patricia and Margot for your very useful help.  I very appreciated it.

Irene

Hi Irene,

If you are still looking for information on Samuel Brindley, I can help.

Mountisland house has been in my family since 1920. In 2017 I wrote a chapter on the Brindley family of Mountisland and Happygrove for the local historical society.

They publish a book each year of local interest. The book that my chapter is in is, 'Mining the Past, 2017'. I think that it may still be available.

I do not have my original research but have attached photos of my chapter from the book. I hope this helps you.

Regards, 

Michael

Dear Michael,

Wow! This is a big big surprise and I am so grateful. I have to go through all this again and again because there is a lot of informations.  

In the page 3, you mention a family tree.  Do you have it in your possession.  I would love to see it.  

I will have probably more questions in the future.  Again, thank you very much.  A very wonderful surpriseé

Irene

Hi Irene, 

Sorry for late reply. I had set up notifications, but did not get notified of your reply.

Unfortunately this article was written in 2017 and I have changed computers a few times since, so I do not have any of my original research. 

I will try to answer any questions that you may have. Where are you based? If you do come to Ireland, I will give you a tour of Mountisland house and show you where Happygrove is.

regards, Michael

Hi Michael,

you gave me a ton of very precious informations and I cannot thank you enough.  

I live in Canada, in a little touristic city named Banff in Alberta province, but I was born in Montreal where the Brindley lived when they came from Ireland i 1866.

It is very nice to you to offer me to visit Mountisland and Happy Grove.  I am planning to come in Ireland next year or the year after.  And I will let you know.  Thank you for your generosity.

Question:

1.  Do you have any detail  about Samuel Brindley born around 1725 and John Brindley born around 1760?

2.  I am very confused about Mountisland and Happy Grove.  I guess that Mountisland is a village where all the Brindley where born but is there a house too named Mountisland House? And Happy Grove:  According to the Accordance Survey Book it belongs to John and Samuel Brindley.  But it seems that it belongs to Samuel only?

3.  For John Brindley and Margaret or Mary Caswell I have 4 sons:  Samuel, John, Andrew and Henry.  Do you have them too and do you have any daughter for this couple.

4. I have a Thomas Brindley who was born in Cashel in 1858, join the army and was posted in India.  I don't know who he belongs. Have you seen his name during your research?

5.  In Nenagh and around, the Brindley, were they from all the same family?

I think that it's pretty cool that the Brindley estate stayed in your family since Margaret sold it.  

Thank you again for your generosity

Kind regards

Irene

Hi Irene,

1. I have no other details on the older Samuel brindley or his son, John.

2.3.  Mountisland is a small townsland with about 3 houses. Mountisland house is C. 250 years old and was the residence of various members of the Brindley family. There is a stone inscribed with 'Henry Brindley 1845' near the house. He died in 1847 and may have been an uncle to Samuel Brindley. Happygrove is house about 1 mile from Mountisland house. I did find some references to John Brindley in archives of the local newspapers, but not much. I cannot remember seing anything about Andrew Brindley or any daughter of John Brindley and Mary Casswell. 

4.5. I have not seen the name Thomas Brindley, but the Brindley name was pretty rare in Ireland so he was possibly a relative.

I am still not getting notifications for this site, so if you want to contact me, use my email, michael@computerservices.ie. It is not my main email, so if it gets spammed by having it on here, it is not a big deal.

Michael 

Hi Irene,

1. I have no other details on the older Samuel brindley or his son, John.

2.3.  Mountisland is a small townsland with about 3 houses. Mountisland house is C. 250 years old and was the residence of various members of the Brindley family. There is a stone inscribed with 'Henry Brindley 1845' near the house. He died in 1847 and may have been an uncle to Samuel Brindley. Happygrove is house about 1 mile from Mountisland house. I did find some references to John Brindley in archives of the local newspapers, but not much. I cannot remember seing anything about Andrew Brindley or any daughter of John Brindley and Mary Casswell. 

4.5. There was a Thomas brindley mentioned from Happygrove about 1845.The Brindley name was pretty rare in Ireland so I would say that they were all related.

I am still not getting notifications for this site, so if you want to contact me, use my email, michael[at]computerservices.ie. It is not my main email, so if it gets spammed by having it on here, it is not a big deal.

I got most of my information from the Nenagh Guardian Archives. https://www.irishnewsarchive.com/Nenagh-Guardian-Newspaper-Archive-Subs…

It only goes back to 1938 and you will needa subscription to view the entries in full. At the time that i was researching, I had full access at our local library and a lot of information was just about land renting, court cases and minor stories.

Michael 

Edit on last post. It should have read ' It only goes back to 1838'