Bridget Mullally

Elizabeth:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I found an 1829 baptismal record (below) in the Gortnahoe RC parish records for a Bridget Mullally with a father Michael and a mother that could be Mary or Maria or possibly Margaret. The image of the register is poor. Possibly if you review the actual register here http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0266 you might be able to determine the name of the mother.

The only Ballintaggert townland in Tipperary is in Ballyingarry civil parish in South Tipperary close to the Kilkenny border. The RC parish would be Ballingarry also http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0241 Gortnahoe is the parish to the north of Ballingarry.

Let me know what questions you have.

Roger McDonnell

First name(s)BridgetLast nameMullalyBirth year-Baptism year1829Baptism date? ? 1829ParishGortnahoeAlternative parish namesGlengoole, Gurtnahoe and GlengooleDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)MichaelFather's last nameMullalyMother's first name(s)Ma?Mother's last name?RepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632725#page/1/mode/1up

Elizabeth:

I forgot to add that you may want to consider autosomal DNA testing.

Roger

Hi Elizabeth,  I found Bridget on Peter Maddens shipping list.  It says she came from Ballintaggart. I looked it up on Griffiths valuation www.askaboutireland.ie  . Its in Tipperary south riding, civil parish Ballingarry, Barony of Slievardagh.  Catholic parish Mullinahone.  There were no Mullallys there in Griffiths.   As you now know all Catholic records on line free at  www.registersnli.ie.   If you have any questions contact me.

Christina.

Christina

What is "Peter Maddens Shipping List" please and is it indexed in any way?

Thank you, Robyn

Hi Robyn,  Just google  www. Peter Maddens emigrants from Tipperary to Australia 1850s.  Let me know how you get on.

Christina.

Thanks So Much Roger and Christina for your responses and suggestions,

Roger, your response and information about Bridget's Baptism must be "heaven sent" and I feel meant to be. Last night while working on a presentation for my Family History Society's, Irish Interest Group on "Brick Walls" (mine is Bridget Mullally), I revisited the RC Parish registers in Find My Past (FMP). Couldn't believe they are now indexed, as I spent several months last year just scrolling through the Tipperary Parish Registers spending hundreds of hours and poor eyesight decifering the handwritings. I put less information in and after opening all Tipperary Mullally Baptism's also found the 1829 one in Gortnahoe you mentioned, with a father of Michaell and mother Ma??? 

The image is poor and even using all the tools available, I am unable to determine if the mother was my Mary Kelly. I have previously searched extensively and been unable to locate a Bridget Mullally with a father of Michael and Mother Mary Kelly. 

* Can you please advise if it is possible for someone to examine the original Register to see if the name it is clearer than what is scanned (Ma..) or if there is a way I could order a better copy?

So far, this Baptism identifies a Bridget Mullally in Gortnahoe August 1829 and that in 1855, her mother Mary Mullally was living in Ballintaggert near there, after her father's death. 

* As people didn't move around much, is it reasonable to assume that this Baptism is for her daugher Bridget is the same person?

* Which RC Parish Register's should I look in to find a Marriage Register for Michael Mullally and Mary Kelly? I have added their names into the RC Parish Registers in FMP and not found anything.

* In which Parish Registers should I look in for other possible sibling's of Bridget's?

* Where should I look for her father Michael's death as I have searched extensively for records in National Archives Ireland, FMP, Ancestry, with no success.

*What would the autosomal DNA testing show and how would this help me find Bridget Mullally's family?

Christina, Thanks for your comments also. I checked Peter Madden's Shipping List - it has the same information as the NSW Assisted Immigrants List and states that Bridget's Native Place was Tipp/Co Tipp. It is actually her mother Mary who is living at Ballintaggert. What makes you think that Bridget is living with her their? Are there any records from this period? What would her mother have been doing to earn a living?  

Robyn, Peter Madden's shipping list is not indexed and you have to scroll through the names. It is on CoraWeb's website.

Roger and Christina, you have no idea how thrilled I am about finding a possible baptism for my Bridget as I had really given up on locating any information on her family and my Irish ancestors.  I would appreciate any further resources and information to help her descendants in their homeward journey.

Warm Regards

Elizabeth

Elizabeth:

I will try to respond to your questions and Christina may want to add.

I assume the register is held locally but it is now 187 years old so not sure what condition the register is in. Here is a link http://glengoole.net/pages/news.html  to the people who do the newsletter for the parish.There is an e-mail address. I would write to the parish and see what they can do. 

It is reasonable to assume (but not guaranteed) that the Mary Mullally in Ballintaggert was the mother of Bridget.

I checked Roots Ireland and they do not have a marriage record around 1829 for a Michael Mullaly.

Roots also does not have siblings of Bridget. I would check Gortnahoe and Ballingarry registers to be sure.

Civil registration of deaths did not begin until 1864. Very few RC churches kept death records pre-1864 and neither Gortnahoe or Ballingerry had death info on the ir registers.

Autosomal DNA testing will match your DNA with poeple who have already tested. It will look at both your paternal and maternal lines. Many of the matches will go way back 5th cousins. However, you will likely have 2nd-4th cousins who macth you and then it is an analytical effort trying to find our where the match may occur (possibly it will go back before your current tree. I Have been able to break down a couple brick walls (one for me and the other for my wife) in Ireland with DNA testing.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Roger

Thank you Christina and Elizabeth - I thought I might have missed a research tool, nevermind...

Pleased that you have results, I am still plugging away with mine.

Just wanted to make a comment about using the index. I also did that, but when I trawled through the Parish Records visually I found so much more. We are relying on those who indexed to 'digitise' written records - really hard - and also another example from me - all my records were 'Dudley', but I found one connection written as 'Duoly' - didn't pick this up in the indexes.

Robyn

Dear Robyn,  Thank you for saying thank you.  If I think of anything else that would help .  I will get back to you.

Christina.

Dear Roger and Christina,

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions which I have finally had time now to follow up.

Roger, as you suggested above, I have emailed the people who do the newsletter via your link and asked about the possibility of having the Baptism Register checked re a more legible name for Bridget's mother. I also asked about marriage and death details of parents and siblings. Still awaiting a response. I assume this contact also covers Ballingarry as it was documented on the top of the page or should I contact someone else for this parish? 

I did read the Gortnahoe parish history and noted the town names. 

I subsequently found an entry for a Michael Mullally in Griffiths from Buolickt and remembered it was half was between Gortanhoe and Ballingarry.

Tenant Family Name 1 MULLALLY Forename 1 MICHAEL Landlord Family Name 2 COOKE  Forename 2FENNELL LocationCountyTIPPERARY, SOUTH RIDING, Barony SLIEVARDAGH Union URLINGFORD Parish BUOLICK Townland BALLYNASTICK Place Name BALLYNASTICK Place Type TOWNLAND Publication Details Position on Page20 Printing Date1850 Act9&10 Sheet Number48, 49 Map Reference16.

Do you think this could possibly be Bridget's father, Michael Mullally? 

Have you any other suggestions on where I should look next?

What other Parish records should I check out for their possible Marriage or Baptism's of other siblings.

Thanks So Much for your help and assistance

Kind Regards

Elizabeth

Elizabeth:

The Griffiths record you located could be the father of Bridget. Buolick civil parish corresponds to Gortnahoe RC parish and that is where the 1829 baptism was located. We don't know where Bridget's mother lived before marriage and she could have lived to the east in Co. Kilkenny. The marriage usually occurred in the bride's parish. Tullaroan is a possible parish but their records don't begin until 1843. Go to this link for Ballingarry http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0241  You can click on the parishes and find when their records begin.

Roger

Hi Elizabeth,  Found a Family of Mullallys on the 1901 and 1911 census,  living in Glengoole South District Electoral Division New Bermingham .  Tom the Father ,Edmond the son, also Mary Kate and Michael.  Do they sound like the names in your Mullally Family. They were Farmers.

Will look up Telephone directory also and get back to you.

Also will chech are headstone inscriptions in the area on Historic Graves

You asked what they would have worked at,  most of them would have helped at farm work ,as there was very little machinery, and every chore was labour intensive.  Will let you know what I find.

Christina.

Hi Christina, Thanks for following up my Irish Mullally family. The names of Bridget and John's children were and in order: Bridget, John, Michael Joseph, Thomas Bede, Elizabeth Ann, William James, Martin Peter and Patrick Edward. Bridget's father was also called Michael. The Mullally names you mentioned in Census of 1901 and 1911 do encompass some of her children's names. .

I started last night to look at the Ballingarry Parish records suggested above by Roger and scrolled through Baptism's from 1815 and am still ongoing with them. I also looked in the indexed Parish Registers in Find My Past (FMP),  where I found a 1864 Marriage of a Bridget Mullally living at Gortnahoe but unfortunately this is not my Bridget.  I am unsure if she is the same Bridget Mullally that Roger found the Baptism for in 1829??? Her father was documented as Michael Mullally (who is the name I am looking for) and we can't decifer the mothers name but it does start with Ma as my Mary Kelly.. The puzzle continues.

I also found in FMP a Marraige in 1811 of a Mullally and Kelly in Dublin. At lesast the surnames match!!. When I opened the digital records it only has the name of the Church, date of marriage and their surnames. Would Christian names be recorded anywhere else?

Thanks Again for your assistance

Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth,  Found headstone to a James Mullally in Ballinalacken Graveyard  Glengoole south on Historic graves.  www.historicgraves.ie    I found 19 graveyards in the Barony of Slieveardagh,  you can find them at historicgraves/com/project/slieveardagh-baronyhistoricgraveyardsurvey   I only got through five of them.  only one Mullally, it was a scarce name in the area.  Found numerous Kelly's  So best of luck  The christian name was usually recorded with the baptism.

Christina.

Hi Christina and Roger,

I am still following up your suggestions above and awaiting a reply from Gortnahoe re possibility of Baptism Register being read, Would it be worth me to phone them as I havent had a response?

I am wondering if you could let me know where I may be able to locate any historical or relevant information on the mourning shawl/headcover and decanter that Bridget bought with her on the voyage to Australia in 1855 (pictures attached below). They must have meant a lot to her and her family to have packed them in her luggage and bought them so far.

I have googled but found no history and have also emailed the National Library in Ireland - received a response but about where to find out about my family history (Ancestry and Find My Past) but did not answer my query about the history of the shawl/headcover. 

Not sure if the shawl was just used in Co.Tipperary or throughout Ireland? Were they religious based as my family were RC?

Looking forward to hearing from you both,

Elizabeth

The decanter ?glass. Would they have had money to have these items?

Appreciate your thoughts

Thanks

Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth, The Shawl  was probably crotched by one of the family, as they were very good at Crotcher and handcrafts.     If you google Lace making in Ireland 19th century . also Limerick lace and Mountmellick lace

I saw beautiful crotchet in my own home as a child done by my grandmother and grandaunts.

The decanted was probably lead crystal .  I think Waterford Glass was in production from early 19th century, perhaps one of them worked there.    It looks lovely

Did you find any  info on the graveyards.

Christina.