John Black of ?Droit, Bodoney Lower

Griffiths Valuation for 1859 lists a John Black in Droit (plot 4(a)9b) which was a house. Some sort of relative to your John Black? Also James Alexander on 20(b) with a house & garden. So that puts Blacks and Alexanders beside each other in the townland (which only contained about 30 properties). That seems encouraging.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

The revision records show John Black vacating in 1882 and James Alexander vacating in 1885. Neither was replaced. Both may have died around that time.

There were no Alexanders or Blacks living there in the 1901 census. Probable death for James Alexander was registered in Gortin in Jul ? Sept 1884 est year of birth 1811. You can view that on-line on the GRONI site for ?2. Can?t see a death for John Black that matches.

If your information from US sources eg marriage or death certs is that John Black?s parents were named Thomas and Ann, and his age fits, then I?d say there?s a fair chance you have found his family. But if you don?t have evidence of their names, then I?d say it?s risky assuming you have found the right family. John Black is a fairly common name.

I see from the pension extracts that Thomas & Alexander married in 1834. Their daughter Isabella was the pension claimant who triggered the 1851 census check, so she was still alive in 1909 or later. (Her address etc should be on the Green form in the National Archives in Dublin).

I looked for Thomas?s death post 1864 (when death registration started) but didn?t see it. Suspect he may have died before 1864. I noticed a Thomas Black marriage in Gortin in 1858, so possibly that was son Thos marrying.

Hi Ahogill,

Thank you for your hard work and help and sorry for my delay in getting back. What you shared is fascinating to me. First off, it may have been presumptuious of me to say that a 1854 emigration for him was absolute. I was told that but I don't have record as of yet. What I do have record of is someone who I strongly believe is him in New York in a 1960 census and most definately is him in later New York Censuses. I'm wondering if it's possible that was him in the 1859 Griffith's and then he left right after?? A reach, maybe, but now I'm curious. With that said , however, if the 1859 John Black is definately the same John Black who vacated (?definiton) in 1882, then it definately isn't him in either case, and if that John Black is  the same John Black I saw in the 1841-51 census extracts then I'm way off and need to start over. Also, the Alexander angle is from oral tradition also and at this point I have no record. Supposedly, he had told family that "Alexander" was either a changed name or maiden name in his family that they had hid because it was less Irish and more Scottish??. It wouldn't make sense to me that he or anyone else would go from Alexander to Black, for that reason, because Black is known to be more scottish than irish also, even though I understand it can have native Irish roots too. So, anyhow, I figured there was still something to it and am guessing it's possibly his mother's maiden name??. That's why the 1841/51 census extract record I found was a bit shocking because the dates, John's age and Maiden name all lined up but I guess it still can just be coincedence as there seems so be many and not too many gurantees. Well anyhow, again I thank you for your input to date and if you can give me anymore, I would greatly appreciate that also, but if you can't for any reason I will take what I have and be grateful.

Thanks again,

Jay

Jay,

Vacated just means he was no longer listed as tenant after that date. Usually that means he left the property then but you do occasionally come across cases where someone left earlier, sublet, and the Griffiths clerks just didn?t pick it up. But in most cases it would suggest he was still in Ireland roughly till that date. (Griffiths dates can sometimes be out by a year or two).

I agree with you that the explanation for the change from Alexander to Black seems a bit odd.  Both are indeed common Scottish names. There would be no obvious benefit in doing that in Ireland. In that county half the population were of Scottish origins, and people wouldn?t normally have had any reason to conceal that. If you look at the 1901 census for Droit there were 94 people listed, of whom 51 were Presbyterian (ie of Scottish origins).  So over half the population of Droit was descended from Scots settlers who are most likely to have arrived in the 1600s. Why conceal that?

Not sure I have any other information on the families that I can add.

Elwyn

Ok Elwyn Thank you. I agree with what your saying.  Since you seem to be very knowledgable in these areas can I ask  you something else? if someone was emigrating from Tyrone, around 1855/60, and heading to the US , where would they depart from? Also, how would have protestants in Tyrone been effected by the famine? I'm wondering if that played any part in him leaving. I hope I'm not wearing out my welcome. I just love this kind of history.

Thank you,

Jay

Jay,

There?s no one port that your ancestors may have left from. There were sailings from Londonderry, Sligo and Limerick but by far the busiest departure port was Liverpool. It had more or less daily departures to the US and Canada, whereas from Londonderry it was about one or two a month. There was massive competition for the trade and shipping agents often included the cost of the ferry to Liverpool and accommodation there free, as part of the deal. Here?s a link to a site, which gives you a little background information. Though written in relation to the neighbouring county of Donegal, pretty well everything in the article would apply equally if you lived in Tyrone or some other part of Ireland in the mid 1800s:

http://www.finnvalley.ie/history/emigration/index.html

One of the agents for departures from Londonderry were J & J Cooke. They had sailings to Philadelphia, New Brunswick and Quebec, and their passenger records are kept in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast, in date order. They start around 1847. They are not indexed, nor on-line as far as I am aware, and so you just need to work through them.

You ask about the impact of the famine in Tyrone. It certainly caused a lot of deaths, but just how severe depended on your circumstances. The smaller farmers and agricultural labourers (who would have a few perches of land) had rather rashly become one crop dependent (ie potatoes) and so were hit the worst. (You can grow more potatoes to the acre than any other crop and they require the minimum of maintenance. They also grow particularly well in Irish soil. So that?s why they were so popular). Bigger farmers grew a variety of other crops eg oats and hay, and those actually commanded good prices during the mid 1840s. The other source of income, mostly only available in Ulster, was money from linen weaving. Most farmers and labourers grew a bit of flax and turned it into linen which they sold for cash at the local market (probably Omagh in your case). So if you had other crops and a bit of linen money to fall back on, then you got through the famine.

But the famine wasn?t the sole driver for emigration at that time. Ireland has very few natural resources (no oil, coal, iron ore etc) and so did not benefit from the industrial revolution in the 1800s, the way Scotland, England, the US, Canada & Australia did, which created hundreds of thousands of comparatively well-paid new jobs in new industries (coal mining, steel making, ship building etc). So that was a big pull factor. There had also been a huge population explosion in Ireland going up from about 3 million people in 1750 to 8 million in 1830. There simply weren?t the jobs for all those people. In much of Ireland the only employment was subsistence farming topped up in Ulster and one or two other areas with a bit of linen weaving. And then the straw that broke the camel?s back, along came the famine, numerous times throughout the 1800s. The worst period was when the potato crop failed almost completely 3 years in a row in the late 1840s, and then partially several more years after that.

For a detailed description of what the area suffered, you should probably look at the Poor Law Records for Gortin workhouse (the area that included Droit). The minute books are kept in PRONI. The Board of Guardians met every week and the minutes generally record conditions in the area at the time. I have not seen the Gortin books but others that I have seen for the famine era in other counties in Ulster give good descriptions of what was taking place. So there are records how many people needed help from the workhouse (both indoor and outdoor relief), whether they were organising soup kitchens, and so on. It also records general information which is how I know that farmers growing other crops got good prices and managed to survive OK. In general, Ulster did not fare as badly as the rest of Ireland. In the years 1841 to 1851 the population of the whole island dropped by 20% (combination of deaths and migration) whereas in Ulster it was only 10%.

Other factors led to the continued emigration too, eg early mechanisation on farms. With new machines to turn the soil and plant seed, farmers no longer needed an army of agricultural labourers to help on the farm. So those jobs were rapidly disappearing. Likewise mechanisation had led to linen factories being set up in places like Belfast. These made home weaving uneconomic and so also upset the labourer?s family economy. Agriculture was the biggest single employer in Ireland, but it was mostly a barter economy. Few people had any ready cash save what they could make from weaving or any government sponsored work such as building new roads. So when the opportunity arose to get jobs with a regular wage packet, as opposed to a few pence from your father each week, the decision to migrate wasn?t really all that hard to make. So it was as much about economic betterment as anything.

There was just a massive tide of migration all through that century, including long before the famine. All the famine did was speed the tide up.

Elwyn

Wow, very well done. That is all very interesting and it helps a whole lot. Thank you again Elwyn for all of what you have given me, I really appreciate it.

God Bless,

Jay

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