Sinclair/Carson

Cindy,

Here’s the 1857 marriage in Desertcreat Church of Ireland, groom was from Glenlark and bride from Oughterard:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09527/5453564.pdf

A William Carson farming in Oughterard in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/The_Rock/Oughterard/1731700/

He’s probably Elizabeth’s brother. His father was also William according to his marriage certificate:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11159/8088161.pdf

The above William was evidently in the RIC and met his wife in Cavan.  Same family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/The_Rock/Oughterard/861340/

Mid Ulster Mail of 24th Oct 1925 reports William Carson’s death and his burial in the family burying ground at Desertcreat. The report says he had retired from the police on a pension to run the family farm and was well regarded in the community. His funeral got a large turn out. Many mourners named (see attached article).

The Mid Ulster Mail of 11th April 1942 has an in memoriam entry placed by William’s 2 daughters Florence & Ethel who were living at Oughterard, Bangor (Co. Down). It mentions that their mother had died on 8th Apr 1938.

Mid Ulster Mail of 23rd June 1951 mentions the death of William Archibald Carson, eldest son of William & Elizabeth, at his home in Cowes, Isle of Wight. Regretted by his sisters and brother.

Mid Ulster Mail of 13th April 1945 has an in memoriam placed by son John Carson and his wife Annie and “grandchildren.” Their address was 140 Sugarfield St, Belfast.

Tyrone Constitution of 16th May 1873 reports that William Sinclair of Glenlark was convicted of assault at Glenlark on Bridget Devlin and her daughter Mary. Reportedly their cattle had been trespassing on his farm. Sinclair received 14 days imprisonment with hard labour in each case and Sarah Sinclair was fined 5 shillings for assaulting Mary Devlin, Bridget Devlin junr was fine 5 shillings for an assault on Margaret Sinclair.

Tyrone Constitution of 15th Oct 1869 reports an assault on William Sinclair of Glenlark by Peter & John M’Cullagh and Patrick M’Cullagh.  There had been an incident in the pub in Gorticastle involving a dispute over payment for some sheep. James Devlin had been assaulted by the M’Cullaghs and William Sinclair had “interfered to save Devlin, and for which he received considerable abuse as his appearance next day evidenced.” The M’Cullaghs were convicted and fined.

No Sinclairs in Glenlark by the 1901 census. The Valuation Revision records indicate William left the farm in 1878. (Plot 27 108 acres).

There are about 10 trees on Ancestry with some details of the Sinclair & Carson families.

Oh my word thank you! Such great info.

So I actually think the daughter of William Sinclair ( Glenock) and Elizabth Carson Sinclair was the one that married for love.

It was Sarah Sinclair born 1859 and immagration year was 1887 was married to James Moran.

Anything from records on James and Sarah Moran?

I looked at some trees on Ancestry that have this family.  Some give James Joseph Moran’s date of birth as 22.11.1867. I can’t find a birth in Ireland that matches that, though few Irish people in the mid 1800s knew their dates of birth and so such dates were often just invented, to satisfy officialdom. The trees don’t have his parents names making it impossible to search for a birth using that information. (His US death certificate should probably have them. He reportedly died in PA on 24.4.1916). Most trees also have the couple marrying in 1886, presumably in Ireland as most have Sarah arriving in the US in 1888, but again I cannot find a marriage in Ireland that matches that. (I suspect they may have married in the US. The Cynthia Schwartz tree has the couple marrying in PA in 1891).

If Sarah was born pre 1864 (as your information and the trees both indicate) then she won’t have a birth certificate. They only started in 1864. You might find her baptism if you know which church the family attended but that record is unlikely to be on-line. There may be a copy in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. Personal visit required to access those records.

There probably aren’t any other records of Sarah in Ireland to consult. Her little run in with the law in 1873 (assuming it’s the same Sarah) is the only reference to her in the newspapers I can find.

Thank you!

I am Cindy Schwartz on Ancestry and was really trying to go deeper in the past to find some other evidence.

You have been such a great help...thank you.