O'Connor/Houlihan, St. Vincents' Church Ballyferriter

Hi Ed,

Thank you very much for your message to Ireland Reaching Out. I have taken a look and there are baptismal  and marriage records available for the parish (Roman Catholic diocese) of Killiny (Cloghane) and they start from Dec 7 1828 for baptisms and Feb 28 1929 for marriages. This is available in the National Library of Ireland, reference number: Pos. 4275 to 1864.

School register for the school in question might still be in the school (if it still exists), or possibly at the local or county library. It might be worth contacting them to see if they have more information.

School records for this period worth checking include:

• Personnel records for The Society for Promoting the education of the Poor of Ireland (the Kildare Place Society). It trained thousands of personnel from 1811. Records date from 1814 to 1854. These are held at the Church of Ireland College of Education (www.cice.ie)
• Appendix 22 of the Irish Education Enquiry, 1826, 2nd Report (4 vols) lists parochial schools in 1824, including names of teachers and other details. It is indexed in Schoolmasters and schoolmistresses in Ireland, 1826-1827 (1982), by Dorothy Rines Dingfelder (NLI - National Library of Ireland - Ir.372 d38).
• Principal source for teacher  is the series of Teachers Salary Books from 1834 to 1855 held by the National Archives of Ireland.
• Corcoran, T.S., Some lists of Catholic lay teachers and their illegal schools in the later Penal times, Dublin (1932)

You could check the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) to see if there is any details there. At least you already know the location, should if he is listed, it shouldn't be too hard to find.

Kind regards,

Sinead Cooney

I have always wondered whether there might be alternate sources for marriage information. Especially when one knows the date and place.

For instance, when the marriage is by Banns, is there a published source for the Banns, parish records, parish news paper, local newspaper, or otherwise?

Bishop transcripts have also been recomended in genealogical literature, marriage licenses, or other parish transcript,.Previous indexes, or a researchers extract. Each of these parallel records could then be compared with one another, to get multiple viewpoints on the same event.

In one case as an example, I have seen an entry from the 1820s in Dingle which is listed twice, once in a hand written list, and another in a chart form. Each of these was likely from a different book -- perhaps one or the other or both contemporary with the event, or maybe one or the other entered later?

I have also been careful not to miss multiple listings in the same book, wherein an index might be in the front or back, another section by day, and another list alphabetical by bride. Sometimes, but probably rarely, additional notations are marked along the side as an addition or afterthought in the margins. One correction I saw for Cloghane made a cross out correction, regards modification of the  groom parish of origin.

How would one know the best way to determine the FULL range of options available for any given parish, so that ALL potential avenues of information on a particular marriage can be checked, so as not to miss any varients, or extra data that might be in one and not the other.

Would also be interested in seeing a timeline for Cloghane, regards starting day (or existing dates) for villages, churches, castles, or manor houses.

A detailed map with these marked, from the different time periods would alo be of interest.