McMahon/McElligott families in/near Tralee

Hi Sue,
Hope I can help a little. First finding is a census listing for 1851 for Appollo Court, Saint Dunstan-In-The-West, West London, Middlesex, England.
This lists Terence as a labourer hailing from Kerry. Mary his wife is shown as born in Kilmany, Fife, Scotland. I assume Terence travelled over, met & married Mary then proceeded to have 4 daughters and 3 sons.
The other Mary, McKillig is Terence's sister so must have married Mr McKillig.The reasoning being that Census relationships recorded are based upon relationship to the head of the household so unlikely that Mary from Fife was a McKillig before marriage. I will continue looking from here and let you know what I find. Once I have sufficient absolute info. I will point you in the right direction for your further searching.
Regards
Michael

Sorry Sue, I should have looked a bit further before responding. The sister Margaret is obviously Mary's sister, just recorded as Terence's sister on census, not unusual! I agree the marriage of 20th April 1834 is Terence's and Mary's. Only concern is Margaret is shown as born in Kerry so will need researching in UK & Eire.

Regards

Michael

Hallo Michael

 Most kind of you to take the time to help me - thank you very much indeed!

I was under the impression from the copy of the 1851 UK census that Mary McMahon (McKilligate) was born in Ireland and I would be very interested to know your source for Kilmany, Scotland, please?  Have I misread the Census??

And yes, I do believe that Margaret McKillig is Mary's sister.

Many thanks once again!

sue

Hi Sue,

I have managed to copy/paste 1851 census below. I sourced this through 'Find My Past'. Only prob. is no spaces between details. Columns read, Name, Relationship to Head, Marital Status, Gender, Age, Year of Birth, Occupation, Where born.

Can you confirm the children check out ok? It may help me if you have any info on these children. How is your father in law linked?

I am struggling to extend my search as like you I cannot find a firm link between Mary & Margaret. 

Also with Terence I cannot find a family where his age matches. Like you I have found a potential father Terence. This record produces a  mother Catherine Moriarty but date of birth for Terence junior is recorded as 1911. Still a possibility.

Do you have any other info that might help?

As this sight is undegoing a makeover soon, to ensure continuity would you be happy to communicate by direct email? If so let me know your email address and I will send mine.

Regards

Michael

TerenceMcMahonHeadMarriedMale491802LabourerKerry, Kerry, Ireland

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MaryMcMahonWifeMarriedFemale441807-Kilmany, Fife, Scotland

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HonoraMcMahonDaughterUnmarriedFemale161835None-

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MaryMcMahonDaughterUnmarriedFemale141837None-

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DennisMcMahonSonUnmarriedMale121839None-

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MaruiceMcMahonSonUnmarriedMale101841Scholar-

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JohannaMcMahonDaughterUnmarriedFemale71844Scholar-

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MargaretMcMahonDaughterUnmarriedFemale31848--

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MargaretMcKilligSisterUnmarriedFemale401811ServantKerry, Kerry, Ireland

Sue:

www.irishgenealogy.ie is a free Irish government site which has church records for Co. Kerry and a few other counties. Luckily for you Tralee RC records go back to the late 1700s. I found an 1811 baptimsal records in the Tralee RC church. Not sure if this is your ancestor but I would search this site to see what information you can find.

Later this summer the National Library of Ireland plans to put all RC parish registers online for free searching.

Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

Further details in the record

Hallo again Michael!

Thank you - that's very interesting!  I have been researching the UK side of the family through Ancestry.com, and their copy of the 1851 Census doesn't appear to show any reference to Scotland or Kilmany, just  "ditto" (for Ireland), followed by "Kila...y".  That's all I can make out.  Of course, the writer of the Census most likely would not have been familiar with Irish place names ( or surnames), so I am not too concerned about the aforementioned.  I have browsed through the townlands of Kerry, and there are a few possibilities.

my father-in-law's link comes from Terence's son, Dennis, and has been well-documented by other branches of the family (on Ancestry.com), so I'm happy that I have the right family line.

And again, I'm not too concerned about the birth dates on the UK Census being particularly accurate.  I think Irish records will be more reliable.   Something that makes me doubt the accuracy of the ages on the UK census, is that Mary would have been 41 when she had her last child, which seems rather late for that era.  Also, Terence and Mary's birth years on the Census mean that they would have been in their early 30s when they married, which again, seems quite an old age for the time.

This afternoon, on Irishgenealogy.ie, I  have come across a Mary and Margaret McElligott with the same parents (John McElligott, Mary Connor),  born in the same area near Listowel, 8 years apart.   Might be a possibility.......

I have learnt a lot from rootsweb.ancestry.com and also mykerryancestors.com, regarding general family research, ie townlands, records, etc fr Kerry.  Most useful!

regards,  Sue

Hallo again Michael!

Thank you - that's very interesting!  I have been researching the UK side of the family through Ancestry.com, and their copy of the 1851 Census doesn't appear to show any reference to Scotland or Kilmany, just  "ditto" (for Ireland), followed by "Kila...y".  That's all I can make out.  Of course, the writer of the Census most likely would not have been familiar with Irish place names ( or surnames), so I am not too concerned about the aforementioned.  I have browsed through the townlands of Kerry, and there are a few possibilities.

my father-in-law's link comes from Terence's son, Dennis, and has been well-documented by other branches of the family (on Ancestry.com), so I'm happy that I have the right family line.

And again, I'm not too concerned about the birth dates on the UK Census being particularly accurate.  I think Irish records will be more reliable.   Something that makes me doubt the accuracy of the ages on the UK census, is that Mary would have been 41 when she had her last child, which seems rather late for that era.  Also, Terence and Mary's birth years on the Census mean that they would have been in their early 30s when they married, which again, seems quite an old age for the time.

This afternoon, on Irishgenealogy.ie, I  have come across a Mary and Margaret McElligott with the same parents (John McElligott, Mary Connor),  born in the same area near Listowel, 8 years apart.   Might be a possibility.......

I have learnt a lot from rootsweb.ancestry.com and also mykerryancestors.com, regarding general family research, ie townlands, records, etc fr Kerry.  Most useful!

regards,  Sue

Roger - greetings, and thank you so much for taking the time to help me.

I have indeed found the record you copied above (great site!).

I'm currently in Clare this week, and am considering taking a trip down to Tralee, just to take some photos of the area for my father-in-law, call into the library and the museum.

Strange coincidence: I know precisely where "Clahane" is, as I stopped in Tralee at the wetlands centre last year.  Clahane lies beyond the wetland centre!

Very interesting to know that the RC parish records will be online this year; thanks for thr information.

btw: love Roscommon!  Stayed near Boyle 2 years ago, and am returning in April.  Lovely part of the country, and very undervalued by visitors.

Sue:

Glad I could help. I live in the States but go back frequently. My folks came from the Ballaghadeereen area of Roscommon.

Roger