Keatings of Derreen, Caher

Dear Mary

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out! 

It seems that you have gathered quite a bit of information about these families and have looked in the right places for record sources. It is a question now I think of making sense of what you have.

I would suggest that you make out a handwritten family tree on a large piece of paper. While this is a very basic approach it will show what you know and leave gaps indicating what you need to find out. Once you know the latter you can continue to use irishgenealogy.ie to search out missing records. It would be a good idea too to concentrate on each person individually and try to find out all you can about them before moving to the next person and actually write out a list of what it is you have left to locate. You can use John Grenham's site to show you the dates of record availability. Parish records for Cahirciveen begin in 1846 for example and won't be available for any time before that for baptism or marriage events in that parish. 

In that way too if you take a break and come back to it later you won't have to go through everything again to refresh your mind on what work you have done. 

If the parish records do not exist (due to accident - fire/flood etc or were not created early enough) at least you will know that you have searched as much as you can. Beyond Irishgenealogy it might be a good idea to look at some local newspapers if you can access them on the Irish Newspaper archives or Find My Past as they sometimes include obituary notices. Don't forget to use Irishgenealogy for deaths too after 1864 as well as births and earlier baptisms. In the meantime hopefully someone with a connection to the family will be in touch. 

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

Clare,

Thank you for responding back. You offered some good suggestions I will checkout.

Mary

This is a follow-up to my 2017 message.

In 2019, I visited John and Nora Keatings' gravesite at Kilvarnogue Cemetery, Caherciveen and found two other Keating gravesites next to theirs, and wondered if they all relate back to Derreen, Caher.

At Kilvarnogue Cemetery, Caherciveen, where my great grandparents, John and Nora Keating, are buried, there is a gravesite next to theirs for the Keatings of Gurrane, Portmagee. There is a low border around these two graves.

In 1900 there were two Keatings living Gurrane, Portmagee, who could have been John's brothers- Michael (1849-) married to Catherine Sullivan and Maurice (1848-1900) married to Mary Donoghue (died) and Margaret Bourke. Both Michael and Maurices' marriage records show James Keating as father. In 1897, a James Keating, born about 1819, died in Gurrane, Portmagee. Margaret Keating witnessed. I assume this was Maurice's wife. Could this James be John Keating's father? Perhaps he had moved from Derreen along with Maurice and Michael? John's father might not be the James Keating living with Mary and Cornelius Keating in 1911 in Derreen at age 86.

Also, at Kilvarnogue Cemetery, there is a third gravesite for Andrew Keating of Ballard. It is next to the Keatings of Gurrane, Portmagee but outside the border. Andrew (1886-1957) parents were Patrick Keating and Nora Daly. On his marriage record, Patrick was listed as living in Derreen, father- James. I have close DNA connections to Patrick's family, some went to Indianapolis, Indiana. I believe Patrick is John's brother.

Is anyone familiar with these Keating families?

Thank you- Mary

Correction to my previous message-

Andrew Keating's parents were Patrick Keating anf Johanna Sullivan.

Regards- Mary