Looking for ancestor ggg grandmother Mary Bourke

Kathleen:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

The Killenaule records (other than scanning the parish register) are available on FindMyPast.ie which is a subscription site. I located six possible records in 1832 1821 1820 1819 1816 1815. If she was young when she married then maybe the 1832  record is a good lead.

Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

First name(s)Mary AnneLast nameBourkeBirth year-Baptism year1832Baptism date05 Jun 1832ResidencePiertstownParishKillenauleAlternative parish namesKillenaule and Moyglass, MoyglassDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)JohnFather's last nameBourkeMother's first name(s)AnneMother's last nameBryanRepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632749#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptism

First name(s)MaryLast nameBourkeBirth year-Baptism year1821Baptism date10 Dec 1821ResidenceFour RoadsParishKillenauleAlternative parish namesKillenaule and Moyglass, MoyglassDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)EdwardFather's last nameBourkeMother's first name(s)HonoraMother's last nameFimllyRepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632748#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptism

First name(s)MaryLast nameBourkBirth year-Baptism year1820Baptism date08 Apr 1820ResidenceKillinauleParishKillenauleAlternative parish namesKillenaule and Moyglass, MoyglassDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)WilliamFather's last nameBourkMother's first name(s)MargaretMother's last nameHoulyRepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632748#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptism

First name(s)MaryLast nameBourkeBirth year-Baptism year1819Baptism date29 Jan 1819Residence4 RoadsParishKillenauleAlternative parish namesKillenaule and Moyglass, MoyglassDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)JohnFather's last nameBourkeMother's first name(s)MargaretMother's last nameCreakRepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632748#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptism

First name(s)MaryLast nameBourkeBirth year-Baptism year1816Baptism date01 Oct 1816ResidenceKillenauleParishKillenauleAlternative parish namesKillenaule and Moyglass, MoyglassDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)RichdFather's last nameBourkeMother's first name(s)MargtMother's last nameMahoneyRepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632748#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptismRecord setIreland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

First name(s)MaryLast nameBourkeBirth year-Baptism year1815Baptism date13 Sep 1815ParishKillenauleAlternative parish namesKillenaule and Moyglass, MoyglassDioceseCashel and EmlyCountyTipperaryCountryIrelandFather's first name(s)JamesFather's last nameBourkeMother's first name(s)EllinMother's last nameHoaksRepositoryNational Library of IrelandNational Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632748#page/1/mode/1upRegisterBaptismRecord setIreland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

Thank You Dear Roger McDonnell for your search!

I may be wrong, but it seems like the women in this particular Bourke/Morris line were off by about 7 years whenever it came to posting their birth year! I would assume by the death record for my ggg grandmother Mary Bourke-Morris that she would have been born 1822. But because I have seen a similar pattern in the reporting of age being off by 7 years, I now think the Mary Bourke you have here born 1815 might be a more accurate date for her baptism.

The other thing that caught my attention with the 1815 Mary here, is the old Irish naming pattern. Mary's daughter....her 2nd daughter was named 'Ellen' which is the same name of this Mary Bourke's mother (Ellin).

I am still looking in Ballingarry as well as this is where Mary's husband was from and where they married 1849 (very difficult in this parish as the priest won't let anyone look at the records....my contact there however, knows the secretary :)  This may take time. Husband William worked for the Irish Mining Company as a coal engineer. They lived in Earlshill but there are a lot of little communities there where Mary could have originated that are now gone. Through dna matches (distant cousins), they reported a 'Wm. Bourke' from Killenaule as their ancestor.

For now, I think your 1815 entry in Killenaule is my closest possibility :)  Thank you so much for doing this research. I will be in the Killenaule area 20-22 March!  (I love the song about Killenaule!)

Blessings,

katy 

Thank You Dear Roger McDonnell for your search!

I may be wrong, but it seems like the women in this particular Bourke/Morris line were off by about 7 years whenever it came to posting their birth year! I would assume by the death record for my ggg grandmother Mary Bourke-Morris that she would have been born 1822. But because I have seen a similar pattern in the reporting of age being off by 7 years, I now think the Mary Bourke you have here born 1815 might be a more accurate date for her baptism.

The other thing that caught my attention with the 1815 Mary here, is the old Irish naming pattern. Mary's daughter....her 2nd daughter was named 'Ellen' which is the same name of this Mary Bourke's mother (Ellin).

I am still looking in Ballingarry as well as this is where Mary's husband was from and where they married 1849 (very difficult in this parish as the priest won't let anyone look at the records....my contact there however, knows the secretary :)  This may take time. Husband William worked for the Irish Mining Company as a coal engineer. They lived in Earlshill but there are a lot of little communities there where Mary could have originated that are now gone. Through dna matches (distant cousins), they reported a 'Wm. Bourke' from Killenaule as their ancestor.

For now, I think your 1815 entry in Killenaule is my closest possibility :)  Thank you so much for doing this research. I will be in the Killenaule area 20-22 March!  (I love the song about Killenaule!)

Blessings,

katy 

Thank You Dear Roger McDonnell for your search!

I may be wrong, but it seems like the women in this particular Bourke/Morris line were off by about 7 years whenever it came to posting their birth year! I would assume by the death record for my ggg grandmother Mary Bourke-Morris that she would have been born 1822. But because I have seen a similar pattern in the reporting of age being off by 7 years, I now think the Mary Bourke you have here born 1815 might be a more accurate date for her baptism.

The other thing that caught my attention with the 1815 Mary here, is the old Irish naming pattern. Mary's daughter....her 2nd daughter was named 'Ellen' which is the same name of this Mary Bourke's mother (Ellin).

I am still looking in Ballingarry as well as this is where Mary's husband was from and where they married 1849 (very difficult in this parish as the priest won't let anyone look at the records....my contact there however, knows the secretary :)  This may take time. Husband William worked for the Irish Mining Company as a coal engineer. They lived in Earlshill but there are a lot of little communities there where Mary could have originated that are now gone. Through dna matches (distant cousins), they reported a 'Wm. Bourke' from Killenaule as their ancestor.

For now, I think your 1815 entry in Killenaule is my closest possibility :)  Thank you so much for doing this research. I will be in the Killenaule area 20-22 March!  (I love the song about Killenaule!)

Blessings,

katy 

Thank You Dear Roger McDonnell for your search!

I may be wrong, but it seems like the women in this particular Bourke/Morris line were off by about 7 years whenever it came to posting their birth year! I would assume by the death record for my ggg grandmother Mary Bourke-Morris that she would have been born 1822. But because I have seen a similar pattern in the reporting of age being off by 7 years, I now think the Mary Bourke you have here born 1815 might be a more accurate date for her baptism.

The other thing that caught my attention with the 1815 Mary here, is the old Irish naming pattern. Mary's daughter....her 2nd daughter was named 'Ellen' which is the same name of this Mary Bourke's mother (Ellin).

I am still looking in Ballingarry as well as this is where Mary's husband was from and where they married 1849 (very difficult in this parish as the priest won't let anyone look at the records....my contact there however, knows the secretary :)  This may take time. Husband William worked for the Irish Mining Company as a coal engineer. They lived in Earlshill but there are a lot of little communities there where Mary could have originated that are now gone. Through dna matches (distant cousins), they reported a 'Wm. Bourke' from Killenaule as their ancestor.

For now, I think your 1815 entry in Killenaule is my closest possibility :)  Thank you so much for doing this research. I will be in the Killenaule area 20-22 March!  (I love the song about Killenaule!)

Blessings,

katy 

Hi Katy,

I'm the parish liaison for Ballingarry and know Killenaule and Gortnahoe areas as well as I have family connections there also. If you are planning a visit I can arrange for a local historian to meet you who would know all about the mining history and could connect you with people in the areas your ancestors originated from.

I hope you enjoy your visit!

Noreen

Thank you Noreen!

I would be most grateful to you for helping me make these connections.

How could we best communicate regarding my itinerary and contact information while in Co. Tipperary?

Blessings,

Katy

Hello, Katy! I am also looking for my ggg grandmother, Catherine Burke, (abt 1796 - 1850) who married Lt. William Ryan. Ryan was from Tipperary, Catherine from Limerick. I cannot find any marriage cert or baptism info on either. My brick wall! My tree on Ancestry is under the username of cliffhouse49. If you see any connection at all, let me know! Beth

Hi Beth,

I'm on my way to Co Tipperary and will need to get back to you. Please remind me mid- April. I will be thinking of you and your ancestors as I make my way around the Slieveardagh region.

In briefly looking at your Ancestry Tree, you have a lot of information! Fun reading about the Ryans! Not sure if information about William and Catherine are solid but will look into this later.

I did see a possible connection with my Morris family however.  If accurate, your Laurence Ryan, baptized 1818 in Ballingarry Parish lived only 6 miles from my William Morris possibly born 1818 as well...3 months earlier than Laurence. My William became an engineer in the coal mines in that area. Possibly they went to school with each other/worked in mining? My William lived in Ballingarry area until retirement and then moved to Tuam, Co Galway. He didn't immigrate but his son William's family did. We came to NY first and then RI and then in 1904 Los Angeles, CA.

A more remote connection may be with a Paddy (Patrick) Ryan b. 15 March 1851 in Thurles, Co Tipperary. He immigrated to NY (Troy at one time) and won the heavyweight championship in 1880 and retained that title until 1882 when he was defeated by J Sullivan. (check Wikipedia) My great uncle Parker (Patrick) was baptized 14 March 1875 in Ballingarry Parish. Obviously my family knew about Paddy and admired him so much they named their 2nd son after him! Our uncle changed his name once he immigrated about 1890s to Parker!

Blessing to you! Katy (Oregon) 

Hi Beth,

I'm on my way to Co Tipperary and will need to get back to you. Please remind me mid- April. I will be thinking of you and your ancestors as I make my way around the Slieveardagh region.

In briefly looking at your Ancestry Tree, you have a lot of information! Fun reading about the Ryans! Not sure if information about William and Catherine are solid but will look into this later.

I did see a possible connection with my Morris family however.  If accurate, your Laurence Ryan, baptized 1818 in Ballingarry Parish lived only 6 miles from my William Morris possibly born 1818 as well...3 months earlier than Laurence. My William became an engineer in the coal mines in that area. Possibly they went to school with each other/worked in mining? My William lived in Ballingarry area until retirement and then moved to Tuam, Co Galway. He didn't immigrate but his son William's family did. We came to NY first and then RI and then in 1904 Los Angeles, CA.

A more remote connection may be with a Paddy (Patrick) Ryan b. 15 March 1851 in Thurles, Co Tipperary. He immigrated to NY (Troy at one time) and won the heavyweight championship in 1880 and retained that title until 1882 when he was defeated by J Sullivan. (check Wikipedia) My great uncle Parker (Patrick) was baptized 14 March 1875 in Ballingarry Parish. Obviously my family knew about Paddy and admired him so much they named their 2nd son after him! Our uncle changed his name once he immigrated about 1890s to Parker!

Blessing to you! Katy (Oregon) 

Hi Beth,

I'm on my way to Co Tipperary and will need to get back to you. Please remind me mid- April. I will be thinking of you and your ancestors as I make my way around the Slieveardagh region.

In briefly looking at your Ancestry Tree, you have a lot of information! Fun reading about the Ryans! Not sure if information about William and Catherine are solid but will look into this later.

I did see a possible connection with my Morris family however.  If accurate, your Laurence Ryan, baptized 1818 in Ballingarry Parish lived only 6 miles from my William Morris possibly born 1818 as well...3 months earlier than Laurence. My William became an engineer in the coal mines in that area. Possibly they went to school with each other/worked in mining? My William lived in Ballingarry area until retirement and then moved to Tuam, Co Galway. He didn't immigrate but his son William's family did. We came to NY first and then RI and then in 1904 Los Angeles, CA.

A more remote connection may be with a Paddy (Patrick) Ryan b. 15 March 1851 in Thurles, Co Tipperary. He immigrated to NY (Troy at one time) and won the heavyweight championship in 1880 and retained that title until 1882 when he was defeated by J Sullivan. (check Wikipedia) My great uncle Parker (Patrick) was baptized 14 March 1875 in Ballingarry Parish. Obviously my family knew about Paddy and admired him so much they named their 2nd son after him! Our uncle changed his name once he immigrated about 1890s to Parker!

Blessing to you! Katy (Oregon) 

Thank you Katy! My Laurence Ryan was a stone mason, working in the Imperial Slate mines, if my info is correct, near Nenagh. Catherine and William Ryan, his parents are SUCH a mystery to me! I want to go back over and do some real digging....slaine! Have a lovely trip and message me at 518.374.8930 if you find anything! Beth