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I am researching the O’Connell family from County. Clare. Catherine O’Connell b circa 1809, married a James Cleary at the age of 16 and had 4 children [ 3 survived]. James must have died and she then marries a John Doyle and has another 4 children [ 3 survived]. Catherine and John arrive in Sydney 19 Nov 1847 on the Petrel with 3 of her Doyle children aged 5 to 9 and 2 of her Cleary Children aged 17 and 19. Records indicate that they came from Mountain. I can see there are townlands by that name in Galway but not in Clare.

Was there a townland called Mountain in Clare and was it absorbed and renamed during the famine years?

My son has a DNA connection to this family in the Kilmurray McMohan area.

Thank you for your assistance

Robyn

Sunday 7th Jul 2019, 07:11AM

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  • Dear Robyn:

    Thank you for your query to the Ireland Reaching Out message board and welcome to the website.

    The clue "Mountain" that you referred to would indicate that this family came from an interior part of the County.  I have looked at Kilmurry McMahon and that area, and it is the parish of Clondegad that the Doyle family appeared to have resided in.  The townland listed is Lisheen and there is a baptism record for John Doyle 3 January 1847.  His parents were:  John Doyle and Catherine Connell and baptism sponsors were:  John Cleary and Elizabeth Clancy.  Here is the link to those registers which unfortunately only begin in 1846:  http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/bmd/baptism_records_clondagad_kilchreest_parish_1846-1848.htm

    You will find other resources to view under the Clondegad and Kilchreest parishes which are today noted as Ballynacally.  

    http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/clondagad.htm

    http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/kilchrist.htm

    I would recommend that you look through both above links for further material.  The parish registers will not give you much information due to their late date of 1846 start, but there are headstone inscriptions and other documents that you may find very helpful.  There is also a wonderful local history book about Ballynacally and Lissycasey which you might be interested in that has a certain amount of information.  

    Here is the link to information about families and maps for Lisheen townland.

    http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/townlands/lisheen.htm

    If you have any other questions, please let me know. 

    Kind regards,

     

    Jane

    Jane Halloran Ryan

    Tuesday 9th Jul 2019, 02:16PM
  • Thank you Jane,

    You have been most helpful and given me much to further research and digest. Little John must have been the Doyle child that died, as the other three Doyle children came to Australia 2 years later 

    Because I could  not find a townland called Mountain I did try to look and the townland called Mount which I think is in Kilchreest . Clare doesn't appear to be covered much by RootsIreland , so research was difficult.

    Lisheen doesn't sound anything like Mountain. I know John and Catherine  couldn't read or write and the information they gave was possibley distorted by the scribe.

    I do have another query, but I will leave it until I digest the information and links you have given me 

    Regards

    Robyn O'Brien .

     

    Robyn

    Thursday 11th Jul 2019, 05:23AM
  • Hi Robyn:

    Thank you for your reply.  Yes, Lisheen is not anywhere near "Mountain" but the townland listed under Griffith's Valuation and in particular at Entry No. 56 shows a John Cleary and a number of other tenants/occupiers with land noted as "bog".  Very often, bog lands were located in mountainous areas.  Here is the link to Griffith's Valuation for your reference.  http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

    I'm attaching the reference under Lisheen townland, Clondagad parish, County Clare of John Cleary.  Please let meknow if you have any questions.

     

    All the best,

     

    Jane

    Jane Halloran Ryan

    Friday 12th Jul 2019, 10:57AM

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