Baptism transcriptions at the Find My Past (FMP) website show that a William "Dohony" was baptized in the Gortnahoe Catholic Church on 1 January 1833. His parents are Michael Dohony and Mary Lahert. The name Lahert could be an alternate spelling for the surname Laherty. In the Irish language Lahert/Laherty is “Laibheartaigh.” Likewise, Dohony would be an alternate spelling for Doheny.
You can view William’s FMP baptism transcription at the Find My Past link at: https://is.gd/1bPU5h
To view a copy of the original Gortnahoe baptism record for William Dohony, go to the following National Library of Ireland (NLI) link: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632726#page/17/mode/1up
You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.
There are two facing pages to the register. William's baptism is the first entry at the top of the left-hand register page. My own transcription of the baptism entry follows:
1833
January
1 William of Michael Dohony & Mary Lahert, sp
Edmond Dohony & Bridget Lahert - - -
The initials "sp" to the right of Mary Lahert's name stand for "sponsors," or god parents. The godparents are Edmond Dohony and Bridget Lahert. Edmond may have been Michael’s brother, while Bridget Lahert may have been Mary’s sister.
Find My Past is basically a subscription or pay-as-you-go genealogy website, but does not charge to search for available Irish baptism, marriage, and death or burial records. Attached to each transcription is a link that will take you to copies of the original parish register of baptism, marriage, and death/burial. The Catholic Church parish registers are held by the National Library of Ireland (NLI) located in Kildare Street, Dublin.
The transcription and copy of the original baptism record for William Dohony are only circumstantial, not direct evidence that this William is your ancestor who married Anne Scully in 1858, as there is no other record that cites or states who his parents were. But the 1833 baptism date is close to the 1837 date of birth you have for William. If born in 1833, William would have been 25 years old when he and Anne married in the Gortnahoe Catholic Churchin 1858.
According to the National Library of Ireland, the Gortnahoe (also spelled or known as Gortanhoo, Gurtnahoe, Glengoole) Catholic parish registers of baptism are held from 10 September 1805 to 27 August 1878, though there are some gaps in the registers. Gortnahoe Catholic marriages at the NLI are held from 3 October 1805 to 7 October 1880, also with gaps in the marriage registers. No death or burial records are available for Gortnahoe at the NLI. The Gortnahoe Catholic Church may have not kept burial records during most of the 19th century.
To see the availability of Gortnahoe baptism and marriage records, as well as a map of the Gortnahoe Catholic Parish, go to the NLI website link at: https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0266
Your information shows that William Doherty and Ann Scully’s first-born son was Timothy. I had originally thought that Timothy may have been named after his father William’s father, which adheres to Irish naming patterns. But, I looked for the Gortnahoe baptism of a William Doherty, son of Timothy Doherty in the FMP transcriptions but didn’t find it.
Knowing that the Gortnahoe marriages go back to 1805, I next looked for the marriage transcription for Michael Dohony and Mary Lahert at the FMP website, and found it. The transcription shows the couple were married on 10 February 1812. Michael's address is recorded as Gortnahoe, while Mary' s address is Glengoole. You can view the FMP transcription at: https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0035161%2F1
A copy of the original Gortnahoe marriage record for Michael and Mary is the 7th entry down from the top of the left-hand marriage register page at the following NLI link: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632725#page/127/mode/1up
There are three people who were witnesses to the wedding. These are Patk (Patrick) Heade, Jno (John) Dohony, and James Lahert.
Back at the FMP website I found the Gortnahoe baptisms for four more children of Michael Dohony and Mary Lahert. Their names and years of baptism follow. I’ve also included William in the list below so that you can see the full chronology of the baptisms:
Catherine Dohony, 1812
Anne Dohony, 1814
Mary Dohony, 1819
Martin Dohony 1821
William Dohony, 1833
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As you can see there is a gap of 12 years between the baptism of Martin Dohony and William, which is an indication that Michael and Mary had more children between 1821 and 1833. These baptisms may be in the Gortnahoe registers, but too faded or damaged to decipher. You can see the indexes of these baptisms at the FMP link at: https://is.gd/3J1Tj9
Your information shows that your Doheny and Scully ancestors had lived in Graigue, Tipperary. I found two records based on your information that show the full name of the residence of the Doheny family was Graigue Paudeen, (also spelled Graiguepadeen in some records), which was located in the Civil Parish of Fennor. The first of these records is for the birth of Patrick “Dohoney.” His birth record, found at the free irishgenealogy.ie website shows that he was born in Graigue Paudeen on 12 January 1865. His father is William Dohoney, a tailor, whose residence is also Graigue Paudeen. Patrick’s mother is Anne Dohoney, formerly Scully. William Dohoney, the father, of Graigue Paudeen, reported Patrick’s birth to the local registrar, William Greene, who recorded the birth in the Urlington Registration District on 16 January 1865.
You probably have this birth record, but if you do not you can view it at: https://is.gd/c3LvtP
Patrick’s birth is on Line 92 of the register.
Patrick’s Gortnahoe baptism record however, gives the residence of the family as just Graigue. His baptism is the 3rd entry down from the top of the left-hand baptism register page at the following NLI website link:
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632728#page/107/mode/1up
I found the civil registration birth records for all the other Doheny children born after Patrick, and they all give the place of birth for these children as, “Graigue,” but I believe in these instances, the registrar did not write the full name of the townland, Graigue Paudeen, where the children were born.
The second record found at the irishgenealogy.ie website shows that Anne Doheny, “widow of tailor,” died in Graiguepaudeen on 8 December 1893 at the age of 53 years. 1893 is the year of death you have for Anne. The cause of death was, “Probably General Debility 8 months. No Med Att,” that is, No Medical Attendant. Anne’s son, Richard Doheny, of Graiguepaudeen, reported the death to the local registrar, M. Norton, who recorded the death in the Urlingford Registration District on 29 September 1893. Anne’s death is on Line 374 of the register, which you can view at: https://is.gd/kS0yWg
You can see the location of Graigue Paudeen, highlighted in blue, on a townlands.ie map at the following link: https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/slievardagh/fennor/fennor/graiguepad…
On the map you’ll see that to the northeast of Graigue Paudeen is Urlingford, Kilkenny, while to the southeast is Gortnahoe, Tipperary.
A Google Map shows that Graigue Paudeen is 1.7 miles northwest of Gortnahoe: https://is.gd/AF8GBK
Another Google Map shows that Graigue Paudeen , by the shortest route, 3.3 miles southwest of Urlingford, Kilkenny: https://is.gd/6sZy9r
As far as I can determine, the townland of Graigue Paudeen is the anglicized compound word for the Irish, “Ghráig Pháidín,” which can mean Fadden’s Village. Pháidín in Irish, is also the diminutive of Patrick.
The reason why I think it is important to know about the full name of the townland, Graigue Paudeen, is that it strengthens the circumstantial evidence that Michael Doheny was the father of your William Doheny.
Here’s why:
I found two entries for a Michael Doheny in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. Both entries show that Michael had leased property in “Graiguepadeen,” civil parish of Fennor, County Tipperary.
Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Graiguepadeen was completed by the year 1850.
Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the “Immediate Lessor.”
You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
Below are the two transcriptions of the Griffiths Valuation entries for Michael Doheny leasing property in Graiguepadeen:
No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 4
Civil Parish: Fennor
Townland: Graiguepadeen
Occupier: Michael Doheny
Immediate Lessor: Earl of Clonmel
Description of Tenement: House, offices, and land
Area of Land: 6 Acres, 1 Rood, 32 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 2 Pounds, 15 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 1 Pound, 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 4 Pounds, 5 Shillings
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No. and Letters of Reference to Map: -
Civil Parish: Fennor
Townland: Graiguepadeen
Occupier: Michael Doheny
Immediate Lessor: Earl of Clonmel
Description of Tenement: Bog
Area of Land: 1 Acre, 3 Roods, 30 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 5 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: -
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 5 Shillings
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The first Griffiths Valuation entry shows that Michael Doheny leased a house, offices, and land from an Immediate Lessor named Earl of Clonmel. The Earl of Clonmel would have owned the property that Michael leased. Michael had leased over 6 acres of land valued at 2 Pounds and 15 Shillings, while the house and outbuildings were valued at 1 Pound and 10 Shillings. The total value of the property that Michael leased was 4 Pounds and 5 Shillings. He would not have been required to pay a tax on this lease as only those properties valued over 5 Pounds were subject to the tax. In this instance, the Earl of Clonmel would have paid the tax.
An Office in a Griffiths Valuation entry could pertain to outbuildings such as barns, stables, blacksmith shops, piggeries, etc. The map reference number, 4, at the top of the entry refers to the location of Michael’s lease on an Ordnance Survey Map that accompanied the valuation. You can access this map at the askaboutIreland Griffiths Valuation index for Michael Doheny. These maps can be very difficult to read and decipher. I accessed the map but could not find map reference number 4, though I did locate map reference points 4A, 4B, and 4C in Graiguepadeen, but I can’t be sure if any of the three pertain to the property that Michael Doheny leased.
Also, over the years I have not been able to link or attach the Griffiths Valuation maps from askaboutireland to replies like this. But, I do have access to a very similar map compiled before Griffiths Valuation. This is an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1841 time period. This map does not have the map reference numbers that the Griffiths Maps do. You can view the map of Graiguepadeen at the GeoHive website link at: http://bit.ly/2r0P9Nk
The second Griffiths Valuation entry for Michael Doheny shows he leased a bog over 1 acre in size, and valued at 5 Shillings. He probably utilized this bog to cut turf to cook with, and heat his home.
The house that Michael leased may have been the same one that his son William grew up in and where William and his wife Anne had lived and where their children were born, and also where Michael and Anne had died.
Concerning William Doheny, the irishgenealogy.ie website has not digitized death records from the 1864 to 1877 time period. Only deaths recorded after 1877 have been digitized by the website. The index below from irishgenealogy.ie is similar to the one from Ancestry.com you attached to the information found at Ireland Reaching Out. The irishgenealogy.ie death index for William Dohony is below:
Death of WILLIAM DOHONY in 1877
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Urlingford
Deceased Age at Death 40
Returns Year 1877
Returns Quarter 2
Returns Volume No 8
Returns Page No 589
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You can order William’s full death record from the General Register Office in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. You may already have his death record, but if you do not please let me know and I can send you instructions on how to order it.
Going back to the FMP website I looked for the circa 1839 Gortnahoe baptism record for Anne Scully, but didn’t find it. I also looked for any Occupiers named Scully in Graiguepadeen, Civil parish of Fennor, in Griffiths Valuation, but found none recorded there.
Just to recap, the January 1, 1833 Gortnahoe baptism record for William Dohony, son of Michael Dohony and Mary Lahert, is only circumstantial evidence that this is the William Doheny is in your direct line. You will need additional information to confirm if William’s parents were Michael Doheny and Mary Lahert.
In your research, have you come across the surname Lahert or Laherty at all? If so, this could be an indication that the Lahert family is also in your direct line of descent.
If you do not think that William’s parents were Michael Dohony/Doheny and Mary Lahert, do not include the information found in this reply to your genealogical records, as it will throw off track future researchers who may be looking for the same information that you are.
Kind Regards,
Dave Boylan
